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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by RandomLensman »

vimbtw wrote: post #385
legitster wrote: post #77

> While the law requires men to request the permit, the spokesperson clarified, it also obliges the military career center to issue it, if "no specific military service is expected during the period in question.” > "Since military service under current law is based exclusively on voluntary participation, such permissions must generally be granted,” the official added. > When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed o…

It seems like the purpose is to have the law and all the paperwork set up as a precaution for the future. Sure, right now it’s all voluntary and just rubber stamping, but if in the future they need to do something like Ukraine and lock down travel for military aged men, it’s much easier to flip a switch and start denying travel permits rather than having to set up and fund an entirely new system for requiring travel…

If it were to get closer to war (i.e., Spannungsfall, let alone the Verteidigungsfall) a set of laws would unlock that allow control of various areas of life and the economy anyway.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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voisin wrote: post #372
fhdkweig wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the United States, adult males have to sign up for the Selective Service for the same reason even though we haven't had conscription since the Vietnam War in the late 1970s(?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

> Annual budget $31.3 million (FY 2024) If it hasn’t been used in 50 years, is there some other use for the registry or the organization or why hasn’t this been cut yet?

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by dogemaster2026 »

voisin wrote: post #372
fhdkweig wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the United States, adult males have to sign up for the Selective Service for the same reason even though we haven't had conscription since the Vietnam War in the late 1970s(?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

> Annual budget $31.3 million (FY 2024) If it hasn’t been used in 50 years, is there some other use for the registry or the organization or why hasn’t this been cut yet?

Under U.S. federal law, men ages 18–25 must register with the Selective Service System to be eligible for most federal jobs. Federal agencies enforce this under hiring rules in 5 U.S.C. § 3328.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by jmm5 »

rustyhancock wrote: post #378
roshin wrote: post #344

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Ukraine has been violating that for young men since the start of its war.

Shockingly sexist policy. And as per usual because its harmful to men no one cares.

In a scenario where you are losing a significant part of the population to war, it's better that it be men.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by randomNumber7 »

dingi wrote: post #439
lifestyleguru wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are indeed evolving into a situation where Islamic monarchies not only sound reasonable but start to look like a viable option.

Islamic societies could be the only ones that will be left standing after all these nonsense we see in the west.

I would bet my money on asian societies.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by dogemaster2026 »

frodowtf2 wrote: post #429
layer8 wrote: post #394

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And "Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person." Military service also serves the purpose to defend that right when the country is attacked. Rights aren't absolute, they have to be traded off against each other.

Military service in the west is not for defence. Irak, Iran, Syria, Vietnam...

It is for the defense of the American national interests and friend nations:

- Iraq: 1) to expel Iraq from Kuwait, and 2) weapons (though this turned out to be mistaken) after the 9/11 attacks

- Iran: we don’t need another nuclear nation

- Syria: destroy terrorists (ISIS), enforce the red line on chemical weapons, and to protect US troops (when we attacked Iran-supported militias)

- Vietnam: to stop the spread of communism and protect neighboring nations

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by pyuser583 »

voisin wrote: post #372
fhdkweig wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the United States, adult males have to sign up for the Selective Service for the same reason even though we haven't had conscription since the Vietnam War in the late 1970s(?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

> Annual budget $31.3 million (FY 2024) If it hasn’t been used in 50 years, is there some other use for the registry or the organization or why hasn’t this been cut yet?

No other use for the registry.

Informally, it's put forward as one of the most successful government programs in history: it succeeds at all it's objective, comes in at or under budget, employs few people, and avoids the scope creep that kills other successful programs.

It's only shortcoming: it doesn't actually do anything.

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