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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by razingeden »

JollySharp0 wrote: post #273
izacus wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tapping a UK passport to your phone works just fine for ETA apps and it would work just fine for Apple as well. The fact that you think American corporation punishing foreign users for their laws is acceptible is sick upon itself.

> The fact that you think American corporation punishing foreign users for their laws is acceptible is sick upon itself. Not really. I was hoping more large US corps would just not comply and force a big kerfuffle and force the UK government to rethink the OSA and other ridiculous legislation.

So far , anyone telling OFCOM where to shove it (think: 4chan) doesn’t have any kind of operations or presence in the UK , is refusing to pay their fines, denies being under their jurisdiction — and doesn’t seem to care if they get blocked by the whole country.

I don’t think much of that is true for Apple, even though there isn’t even a so called law they’re even following. They’re just doing the opposite and rolling over and pre emptively complying with OFCOM. We’re going to have to look elsewhere for resistance

I’ve had it with Apple and there’s nothing they can do that would salvage my perception of them or make it any worse than it already is. So this company is a bunch of boot lickers on top of everything else that sucks about them, the only reason I’ll ever buy another Mac is if Linux can ever be installed on something beyond the m1/m2 processor.

Fuck Apple as a company, nice hardware— but a trash Fisher Price operating system that they somehow just managed to make even worse than it already was.

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Post by mbirth »

soapdog wrote: post #271
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

Author here. Thanks for engaging is such gentle way, this is rare these days. Let me address some of your comments and maybe you'll understand my position a bit better even if you don't agree. > 1.Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered inst…

> As of now, my only way to verify it is by literally ordering a credit card from my UK bank when I'm pretty happy with my debit cards already.

This is not true. On the screen where it wants you to scan a credit card, tap “Enter details manually”. Scroll down. Tap “Try other methods”. And there, you’ll be offered to scan an ID or your driver’s license.

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Post by microtonal »

soapdog wrote: post #312
MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #306

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When you move to Android, I'd definitely recommend getting a Pixel for GrapheneOS. It's really highly polished and most things should just work once you press the button to enable sandboxed Google Play. Also curious what Linux distro and desktop you're going to. Flatpak makes it matter a lot less these days, so long as the base stays pretty current.

I been considering Fairphone cause I want to support smaller vendors and also because it is repairable. As for Linux distros. The MNT Pocket Reform comes with Debian and I plan to leave it at that even though Debian is not my favourite. I will use Niri and Noctalia with it. I plan to make use of whatever Debian package but if it is too old for my taste, I'll look for AppImages and Flatpaks as needed. I got a Surface…

Fairphone is a mess software-wise though, both stock or with /e/OS. Ancient kernels, old firmware bundles with many known CVEs, way behind on regular AOSP updates (which are needed for fixes for vulnerabilities not marked high or critical). They only do the minimal ASB patching most of the time. Hardware security is similarly bad, e.g. the Fairphone 6 does not have a secure enclave but relies on TrustZone which runs on the same CPU as the main OS.

Also, it seems relevant to mention that the software is mostly maintained by a Chinese company (T2Mobile), which might be relevant depending on your threat assessments.

For security/software updates it's pretty much:

GrapheneOS > iOS > Pixel OS >> Samsung flagships >> pretty much everyone else.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

olyjohn wrote: post #444
NetMageSCW wrote: post #433

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What real world improvement has owning your data made to you besides increasing the friction for a lot of things?

What real world improvement has been made by allowing your data to be mined?

Keeping my photos in Apple's cloud?

Peace of mind in case my house burns down, ha ha.

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Post by DemiGuru »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #454
olyjohn wrote: post #444

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What real world improvement has been made by allowing your data to be mined?

Keeping my photos in Apple's cloud? Peace of mind in case my house burns down, ha ha.

I use offsite backups for that very scenario - From nextcloud (private) to https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage.

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Post by nazgu1 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #355
soapdog wrote: post #271

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Author here. Thanks for engaging is such gentle way, this is rare these days. Let me address some of your comments and maybe you'll understand my position a bit better even if you don't agree. > 1.Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered inst…

> Apple been tightening that control over time. For a long time on MacOS X you could simply run apps. Then came notarisation, but you could still disable it. Now, even with a certificate, it still shows a dialog. Notarisation is just proof that the app went through an automated malware scan. Windows, Mac, and Android have all adopted measures intended to warn and attempt to protect users from malware. As far as age v…

You have to pay apple 150$ annually for the pleasure of notarisation, even if you make open-source apps. Yet you cannot distribute apps outside store on mobile (besides in eu, but not really, but is't topic on its own…).

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Post by lesostep »

hedora wrote: post #34

I wish they'd just show some backbone and refuse to implement age verification. If this means they would need to geofence + start disabling devices to the extent required by law, good. The laws will immediately be repealed. The whole platform is a smoldering fire at this point, so nothing in the article is particularly surprising. I've hit 10x as many bugs as the user mentioned. Liquid glass (as bad as it is!) barely…

>> show some backbone and refuse to implement age verification

refused whom? they weren't required to do it, it was a law for messenger apps only

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Post by jmye »

bigyabai wrote: post #432
jmye wrote: post #286

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Currently, one is a surveillance company that is motivated to abuse my privacy in every possible way, in order to target ads (and, conceivably, Gemini). The other, currently, is a hardware company that's dipped it's toes in advertising and is motivated to sell me devices and services. If, at some point, they converge, I will trust Apple as little as I trust Google, but it's absurd to pretend they're the same thing, t…

> but it's absurd to pretend they're the same thing, today or to "what if" yourself into knots. It's not absurd whatsoever. Apple and Google are oftentimes asked to make the exact same concessions, and in many cases (see: push notification backdoor) they do exactly the same thing: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-... Neither Google nor Apple have any real accountability at play. The same me…

> The "ad business" canard is (and always was) a distraction.

Your position is that Google has not and does not differentially acquire data on its users (and non-users) because... Apple has shared some data with the feds? Is that a serious position?

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Post by yepguy »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #441
yepguy wrote: post #404

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You may be able to get by in the US without a credit card, but every purchase will literally cost you 2-5% more if you aren't making smart use of them.

These days in a lot of places it is the other way around- using a credit card costs a 3% surcharge over cash.

I feel like this is regional, because I keep hearing it but I never run into these places.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by neop1x »

chuckadams wrote: post #194

What keeps me in the Appleverse is the hardware, and the software that Just Works with the hardware (I find that "Just Works" has been rapidly eroding in general, but naturally it still handles the hardware well). The alternatives are Linux on much worse hardware, or the non-starter that is Windows on anything whatsoever. I'm told ThinkPads are getting to parity and have primo Linux support, but barring accident, my…

HP Zbook G1a (Ryzen AI max+ 395) is getting closer and has an M.2 SSD slot. But Macbooks undeniably have better battery life (touchpad, sound and display). I selected this over Macbook because I value linux and openness more. But it's true Apple managed to make some really good devices with apple silicon and the competition has a hard time catching up.

Before apple silicon, I was making fun of apple fanboys as CPU specs were mostly bad and it didn't make sense for the price. Apple silicon changed that. And it doesn't look like it will change very soon, sadly. I would like to see more really viably alternatives.

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