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Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by rickdeckard »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #376
rickdeckard wrote: post #330

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Great idea! Such donations might even be tax-deductible revenue for Valve, so even the finance bros should love it. Although I would prefer if Valve simply commits to a fixed percentage of its Steam fee to be donated...

Forwarded donations are not tax-deductible (in the US); That's a lie that's been spread around the internet. If you give a company money with the express purpose of them forwarding it to someone else (the company acts as a "collection agent"), it's not their income or donation. https://taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/who-gets-tax-benefit-thos...

Interesting, thanks for the details.

So it would be actually financially _better_ for Valve to donate a portion of their revenue and state "we will donate x% of the price to yy", as THEN it would be tax-deductible for them

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by danudey »

moralestapia wrote: post #444
moring wrote: post #432

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Yes, I do. It just means that you have to manually "recharge" your Steam wallet when it runs low. That's some effort, but it limits the possible damage if something goes wrong.

How do you "recharge" you Steam Wallet? Gift cards, I assume?

Yep, depending on where you live you can probably find them wherever you find other major brand gift cards.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by danudey »

InitialLastName wrote: post #407
lo_zamoyski wrote: post #403

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> if only Steam would add a checkbox on their checkout page to add 10% donation/tip that goes directly to their upstream opensource dependencies Or how about instead of passing the cost off to users, Steam actually supports them from their own profits? After all, they are profiting from free work. We can't be pushovers about this.

As far as I can tell, Valve makes significant contributions back to Wine via Proton development. Isn't that essentially them supporting their upstream dependencies with their own profits, by using some of those profits to pay people to contribute work to their open source dependencies?

Valve pays over a hundred open source developers to work on the various open source projects that they rely on so heavily, so yeah Valve's 30% of your Steam purchases is already contributing to these open-source projects (like Mesa, the Linux kernel, Wayland, etc.)

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-is-paying-a-whole-lot-of-devel...

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by danudey »

mietek wrote: post #415
Quothling wrote: post #287

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Having worked in non-swe enterprise for two decades I would argue that this is less true today than it was 10 years ago. It used to be that new hires would come with a basic knowledge of windows and office, but that's no longer the case. At the same time, you have things like Smartsheets and so on, which are more popular, at least with our employees, than Excel and everyone seems to hate Outlook these days. I don't t…

> ...an AI model will receive the applications, read them, auto-reply to irrelevant ones... You're probably breaking EU law by building this nightmare. https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/article/86/

All that law says is that the applicant 'shall have the right to obtain from the deployer clear and meaningful explanations of the role of the AI system in the decision-making procedure and the main elements of the decision taken.'

And even then, only if a job application rejection 'produces legal effects or similarly significantly affects that person in a way that they consider to have an adverse impact on their health, safety or fundamental rights'.

So as long as the company is recording the decisions taken and the reasons for those decisions, and providing those to candidates on request, they're in the clear.

I doubt that they are, but maybe!

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by danudey »

bigfudge wrote: post #416
Quothling wrote: post #287

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Having worked in non-swe enterprise for two decades I would argue that this is less true today than it was 10 years ago. It used to be that new hires would come with a basic knowledge of windows and office, but that's no longer the case. At the same time, you have things like Smartsheets and so on, which are more popular, at least with our employees, than Excel and everyone seems to hate Outlook these days. I don't t…

This probably reflects my own prejudices, but it always struck me that MS based IT people wouldn’t work with anything else, basically because they couldn’t. That stack optimises for not really having to understand what you’re doing, but also avoiding any major foot guns (and having the general arse covering that buying IBM used to provide, but which MS now does). The price you pay is that everything is horrible to wo…

The Windows ecosystem does a lot of things that, to me, as a Linux/MacOS user, seem like a weird bunch of crazy decisions that are different just because.

Whether that's true or not, it does mean that a lot of people who came up on Windows IT don't have a mental framework for how to run or manage Linux systems. Likewise, when I'm trying to diagnose something on Windows it just seems like the entire thing is a disaster; where are event logs? In the event viewer! How do I filter them? It's a mess! Can I search them? Kind of! Do they have information to help me diagnose the problem? Almost never!

On Linux, I know all the tools I need to solve all the problems that come up; on Windows, I have only minimal concept of how things work, and very little way to diagnose or debug them when they go wrong, which is often.

For example, when my Windows gaming machine comes out of hibernation my ethernet controller insists that there's no connection. I can't convince it otherwise except by disabling the device and re-enabling it. I can't figure out where I might find information that tells me why this is happening, so I just wrote a powershell script to turn it off and then on again. I bet some Windows IT dork could figure it out in 30 seconds, but I'm a Linux IT dork and I have no clue.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by irishcoffee »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #52
irishcoffee wrote: post #46

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They don't. The "simplicity" of using a "high-level" framework for someone who bit-shifts for a living is almost comical.

Sure mate. And the guy who can do binary sums in his head would think of assembly as mere childsplay. Jog on.

It was an example. Pedantry is alive and well on hn. :)

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

GreenVulpine wrote: post #398
tstenner wrote: post #355

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Buy a steam deck. It sends a strong signal to Valve to continue supporting Wine and you get a Steam Deck

Unfortunately Steam decks have been out of stock for a while. The AI slop Apocalypse ruined the consumer computing market with chip shortages.

it's was out of stock as soon as they came out and in a lot of countries outside of the US it wasn't available.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

xattt wrote: post #249
spoiler wrote: post #210

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To be fair, early wine (when I first tried it) wasn't very usable, and for gaming specifically. So if you were an early enthusiast adopter, you might've just experienced their growing pains. Also, I assume some Windows version jumps didn't make things easy for Wine either lol

The hype/performance mismatch was significant in the 2000s for Wine. I’m not sure if there was any actual use case aside from running obscure business software. Yes, there was “the list” but there was no context and it was hard to replicate settings. I think everyone tried running a contemporary version of Office and Photoshop, saw the installer spit out cryptic messages and just gave up. Enough time has passed with…

Also these apps changed, A lot of windows programs were simple executables and I remenber for a moment it was very popular for developers to write portable apps that were just a .exe that you ran,also excel and other programs worked fine, but then microsoft and others started to use msxis or whatever it's called and more complex executable files and it was not longer posible, and microsoft and adobe switched to a subscription based system.

Re: Wine 11 rewrites how Linux runs Windows games at kernel with massive speed gains

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

RachelF wrote: post #119
tombert wrote: post #16

Wine is a project that I've grown a near-infinite level of respect for. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that a lot of the work for Wine is boring and thankless. Digging through and trying to get exact parity with both the documented and undocumented behavior of Windows for the past 30 years doesn't sound fun, but it's finding every little weird edge case that makes Wine a viable product. The fact that Wine runs…

It is a superb project, and a hard thing to do. It is a pity that the apps most business people use everyday, like Word and Excel and Outlook don't work in it (Excel 2010 is the last version that has Platinum status). It is interesting that these are harder to get working than games.

Although running Microsoft web apps are getting better.
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