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Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by squibonpig »

gruez wrote: post #280
10xDev wrote: post #273

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Too consistent, too frequent, too precise to be explained away as "stupid": https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/ce9mz0gl8z7o

From the description: >Footage from Russian state broadcaster RT has captured the moment a missile lands just a few feet from where its reporter was broadcasting in southern Lebanon. What's this supposed to be proof of? That because a bombing happened near a journalist, that he must have been intentionally targeted? Does the US even have capabilities to track journalists in Iran, of all places? Given that journalists…

Israel has a track record with the coincidentally anti-journalist ordinance. At some point you land a coin on heads twenty times and have to think maybe the coin is weighted.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by bigyabai »

Pay08 wrote: post #365
catlifeonmars wrote: post #287

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That’s not fundamental to how mines work. You could arm/disarm them remotely, either manually or via transponder. But I assume most mines are not like this.

The problem is that it's to my knowledge very difficult to know where maritime mines are, since they get swept around by currents.

CAPTOR is your solution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_60_CAPTOR

$130,000 a pop in 1980s money, probably even cheaper if you have trade inroads with China and a bunch of 533mm torpedos sitting around in storage.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by torginus »

mikkupikku wrote: post #443
beedeebeedee wrote: post #434

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That’s an interesting idea. I think the fiber optics for drones works because it is only used once over a short period of time. It seems like a cable connected to a mine could be easily disrupted by dragging an anchor with a small robot boat. And as another commenter noted, mines get moved by currents, so the cable could get tangled and snap.

In the modern era, the difference between sea mine and drone or torpedo can be a lot fuzzier than you may expect. People think of spikey balls, but some sea mines today can do stuff like use passive sonar to match targets against an internal database before firing a homing torpedo. I doubt Iran has these, but they certainly have the proficiency to think creatively about the problem.

> I doubt Iran has these

According to guys in the know, they have quite the hardware:

https://www.hisutton.com/Iranian-Naval-Mines.html

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by oa335 »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #449
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #410

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You are absolutely not on the side that does that. The US has killed millions of civilians over the past century in all of the wars it's partaken in and pardons its own war criminals, on the very rare occasion it bothers to try them in the first place. Fuck me American propaganda is in another world.

Iran advertises and brags about how many civilians they've killed and literally states its purpose is to export revolution. But America is the bad guy? No... Not even close. Do you see Americans cheering for the dead school children? I'm watching Iran cheering for the dead children in countries around the world every day for 40 years. You should be ashamed of yourself for even comparing.

> Do you see Americans cheering for the dead school children? I'm watching Iran cheering for the dead children in countries around the world every day for 40 years.

I agree, people should be ashamed of supporting killing civilians and any society that supports that should be criticized.

I’m not familiar with any instances of Iranis celebrating civilian deaths though? Do you have any examples?

Maybe something like this;

https://youtube.com/shorts/2jTZwSPdK8I

Or

https://www.timesofisrael.com/watch-far-right-israelis-celeb...

?

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by zzrrt »

brightball wrote: post #215
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #135

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Destroying a school is not an "oopsie". It should literally not be possible for it to happen in any organization that values human life at all. This was a precision strike with three missiles hitting the same target, they should have been goddamn sure they knew where the millions of dollars in ordnance they were launching for the purpose of ending human life were headed. Of course, the US military places zero value o…

Let’s have a serious conversation about downplaying things because this is where all of these conversations go sideways. Many people, myself included, watch very loud righteous indignation about this awful event…while hearing absolutely nothing from the same people about… - The Iranian women’s soccer team who are returning home from asylum to likely torture and execution due to regime threats against their families.…

I would reply point-by-point to show US hypocrisy, but that might be too much whataboutism. I think I'll just say this one: this is the only time Trump has pretended to care about the lives of brown-skinned protestors. He literally has asked whether he could intentionally shoot American protestors legally.

He doesn't care about the Iranian people either, so there's some other reason. I'm not going to carry water for a secretly-motivated war where the "good" effects are secondary, post-hoc rationalizations.

At least just say they're a grave threat we should destroy or whatever, don't play along with the game that the American government and people care so much for Muslims on the other side of the world.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

torginus wrote: post #294
Pay08 wrote: post #220

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That's not how mines work. They don't only explode on people you want them to explode on.

I'm not a military guy, but I would think you can make mines nowadays that do exactly that.

Yep. IIRC Norway and Sweden has actually have a network of smart mines deployed.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Pay08 wrote: post #369
torginus wrote: post #294

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I'm not a military guy, but I would think you can make mines nowadays that do exactly that.

With what communication protocol? Does high-frequency radio have the range for that?

Sonar can work over 100km. Mines obvs need to maintain radio silence so passive mode only.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by oa335 »

testaccount28 wrote: post #387
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #267

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> The war has multiple goals. One of which is explicitly not Iran's nuclear capacity, as confirmed by one of the heads of state invading. > Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. Normal people can also understand that some things are too serious to pass off as "oopsie". We have terms like "manslaughter" or "aggravated murder" for when your reckless negligence leads…

either way, you may wish to know: your poor argumentation shores up support for the war.

You may disagree with the idea that militaries are responsible for civilians they kill regardless of intent, but it is not poor argumentation. And the fact that it triggers you to support the war reveals more about you than you may intend.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

oxfeed65261 wrote: post #19
diath wrote: post #6

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You can see for yourself if anything is passing: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:57.7/cente...

A small number of ships are crossing with AIS off (and without the benefit of GPS, because it is jammed) by coordinating with Iran. For example: https://gcaptain.com/iranian-navy-guided-indian-tanker-throu... . These will not show up on Marine Traffic as they are transiting the strait.

Wonder why US doesn’t spam the strait with fake AIS signals. Do Iranians have capability to spot ships in dark at night? If they employ radar - why not geolocate radar stations? Is there other techniques Iranians have for spotting ships (EW, SAR, etc)?

If Shaheds use Starlink - how come SpaceX can’t geolocate the launch sites?

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by [deleted] »

ghywertelling wrote: post #302
mulnz wrote: post #138

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Totally. After reading your poorly worded screed on geopolitical ethics, which itself was a random and inane response to a comment mocking that exact type of behavior. Too rich. I will now go listen to the words of a bloodthirsty fascist. Thank you for the advice.

Why do think I support Netanyahu? The fact that he choose that example says more about his ideals and psyche. I am merely pointing out the fallacy that a better informed populace doesn't immediately translate to good policies.

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