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Mostly not marketing (still large), but the R&D costs and clinical trial costs. The latter are in hundreds of millions to billions range for the entire journey from a promising discovery to an FDA-approved medicine.

Why not just research it outside of the US if the problem is the FDA cost

Because the problem isn't the FDA cost

The problem is proving your drugs work

It's very hard and expensive to do

Re: The American Healthcare Conundrum

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Contracts are negotiations

Yes, that's what a contract is. I don't remember asking for a definition.

But you blame the contract as to why commercial pays less, when it’s because that’s what someone accepted. They’re obviously going for a low number and it’s your sides job to negotiate for yourself. I just made another comment about lazy managed care, then you prove my point here.

While you didn’t ask for a definition, you should try and connect the dots.

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Until we eliminate for-profit health insurance companies, i will never be convinced this isn't anything other than a massive scam to over-inflate costs, and inflate insurance margins as much as the people can tolerate. Im sure big-pharma has an interest in over-medicating too, but that should be solved by transparent pricing. It still blows my mind i cant window shop hospital procedures. The opaque-ness of medical bi…

We already have multiple forms of socialized medicine, it isn’t perfect. Burning our current system down and shoving them all into Medicare and the VA system would kill thousands or more people, healthcare needs to be operational 24/7/365.

I think a gradual move to single payer is the way, but even if you could get that passed as legislation, which you can’t due to a rigged senate balance, and not struck down by SCOTUS, you’d need 10 years to begin the changeover. It’s really that massive of a project.

But it won’t happen with the current solidifying conservative governmental systems. Say hello to your future, it’s now.

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Prescriptions are a total racket. A good portion of actual medication literally costs a few dollars at most. Then there’s layer upon layer of bloat and bureaucracy that add no value but drive the cost up 10x or more. It’s totally bonkers. When these Rx cards and Marc Cuban CostPlus drugs came out where you just pay cash and a fraction of the price I thought there must be some catch or scam here. But turns out no, the…

People are waking up and a lot is happening to counteract some of this. In the FY26 omnibus bill passed by Congress and signed last month by Trump is the most aggressive federal crackdown on PBMs in history. Starting in 2028 it bans PBMs from taking a percentage cut, which is exactly what incentivized them to drive up the sticker price of your meds. It forces PBMs to pass 100% of the rebates and discounts they negoti…

The rebate pass-through rule (effective 2028) is a real step, and worth tracking. But rebate retention is one of six extraction mechanisms the Big 3 PBMs use. The FTC's Interim Reports I and II (2024-2025) documented $7.3B in specialty drug markups alone, separate from rebate games. The Ohio Auditor found PBM spread pricing extracted $224.8M from a single state's $2.5B Medicaid drug budget in one year.

The rebate rule doesn't touch spread pricing, formulary manipulation, or self-preferencing to vertically integrated pharmacies. Issue #4 (scheduled for releases 3/22) of this series covers the full mechanism stack and what each proposed reform actually targets. Repo: https://github.com/rexrodeo/american-healthcare-conundrum

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I worked in healthcare start-ups for many years and the main problem is mis-aligned incentives. The #1 thing we need to do is make it illegal for your healthcare to be tied to your employment. We can still have your employer provide a X% or $Y to an HSA account that the employee can buy health coverage wherever they like. (I'm not optimistic that this will ever happen politically) The issue today is that NOT healing…

> We can still have your employer provide a X% or $Y to an HSA account that the employee can buy health coverage wherever they like. (I'm not optimistic that this will ever happen politically) Doesn't this already partly exist? My (US) employer offers an HDHP (high-deductible health plan) that comes with an HSA. (It's not quite what you described, because you have to use the insurer that the company picked. I think y…

Yeah, what I'm suggesting is that your premiums are funded through your HSA, not just your deductible and medicines. Obviously, the max HSA funding amounts would have to change.

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Yet, living in Germany, the problems I hear about our healthcare system from friends or in the media are an absolute far cry from the insanity that I hear about the US system. Maybe some of it is sensationalism, but I very much doubt that would account for the whole story.

What's usually missing from anecdotes is class cohorts - so, US working class with Medicaid or a crappy marketplace plan vs working professional with an amazing plan vs retiree with Medicare vs... Nothing's perfect, but the plan differences seem stark. For example, my wife had a crappy marketplace plan and I had a plan through my employer. For her, an MRI was denied, denied, then finally approved with many calls. For…

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I buy that the locus of American overspending is in fees charged by providers (my understanding is that a further principle component of that spending is in end-of-life care). The problem, though, with going after pharma costs, and pharma benefit managers is that pharma is a relatively small component of overall spending; it's less than 10%. That is to say, you could make all pharmaceuticals entirely free, and we'd g…

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Healthcare administrative overhead in the US is pretty huge and has been for a long time. Back in the early 90s I worked on claim processing software and I recall it being discussed as being around a third of healthcare costs. Last year this podcast said that nobody wants to solve this because solving it is going to eliminate (IIRC) hundreds of thousands of jobs. Which is a point to consider. In 2021, the U.S. spent…

Those figures are consistent with what Issue #5 (still a couple weeks out) of this series computes from CMS NHE 2023 data and OECD health statistics. The 10-peer OECD average lands at $884 per capita, putting the US at 5.6x. Scaled to 335M people, that's $1.37T in excess admin annually.

The Woolhandler/Himmelstein 2020 figure ($812B) updates to $1.13-1.66T in 2023 dollars when adjusted for healthcare inflation. The CMS narrow admin estimate ($410B) plus CAP's billing complexity analysis ($496B) gives a $906B floor. Those three methodologies agree on the floor, disagree on the ceiling. Issue #5 covers all three and explains why the range is so wide. Coming soon.

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You are extremely close to arriving at the solution, which is medicare for all. Cover everyone, then almost noone uses the insurance except when they need it, which is when they get old. If the US had the equivalence of Canadian health insurance, the spending reduction would be so big, that as a working person, your health insurance bill would go to zero, out of pocket costs to zero, and everyone would have health in…

The United States will never have universal healthcare because a subset of the population would rather pay more for worse health outcomes than participate in a system the provides abortions, HRT, or PreP, or any healthcare at all to Black people. See, for example, “Dying of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment Is Killing America’s Heartland” by Jonathan Metzl

But they’re a subset. It can happen.

The more critical, and yet smaller, subset is the people making bank from the current system. Get their money out of politics and watch resistance crumble.

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