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Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by solus_factor »

jdprgm wrote: post #104

This is a comically short lifespan. Didn't they launch less than like 6 months ago? To just torch it and shut it down is wild and right from the jump referencing downsizing the team... I got the impression this was a fairly small team from the beginning. Not to mention it was backed by stupendously wealthy cofounders making fortunes off the web 2.0 run of original digg and reddit, yet can't seem to stomach a bumpy 2…

They were pretty clear about it - they screwed up by underestimating the scale of the problems. It's better to admit your mistake quickly and try to fix things.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by solus_factor »

the_gipsy wrote: post #77
MildlySerious wrote: post #6

I am kind of peeved. I started a community there and diligently posted links to topical news, and it kind of became a reference to me. Like many others, I've put in some amount of effort. Now it's gone, again. Without a head's up or a way to get a backup out of it, it seems like. Can't say I am a fan of that.

Will we never learn to stop. Building. On. Platforms.

Not. Until. Federated. Services. Don't. Suck.

:)

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

koolala wrote: post #304
pardon_me wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ban reason and the moderator name were public on Something Awful, which allowed the community to respond (actively or passively), and for more senior moderators/admin to take public action against rogue moderators. The transparent audit trail countered the incentive to ban somewhat, but a lot of people also treating getting banned as a game.

Did they ban for this rule often? "Am I making a post which is either funny, informative, or interesting on any level? I hate how Reddit mods ban any post they don't like as being 'low effort / shit / spam' when it is completely vague.

It's because you can't reasonably put everything in the rules. They would be thousands of words and still have holes and special carve-outs, _and_ users will still argue about rules application if you say your rules cover everything.

It's more reasonable to have "a spirit of the law", so to speak.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

ranger_danger wrote: post #53
RobotToaster wrote: post #34

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If you're looking for a new platform lemmy is probably your best bet, at least if a server goes down everything is still saved on federated servers.

My experience with lemmy has not been nice. A majority of people there are just downright awful, and the mods are often power-hungry and overzealous in their actions. Many times entire servers are defederated from many others due to how a large percentage of their users behave. Example: https://0x0.st/8RmU.png

Hm. It's unclear if the second comment is in good faith. If it's not, it's OK for it to be deleted. In my opinion there is a huge problem with Reddit mods: they are perceived as draconian, yet they actually remove only 1% of bad comments. It's pretty much impossible to moderate successfully on a per-comment basis in any sizeable community. So, the mods only moderate submissions.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by rglullis »

solus_factor wrote: post #450
rglullis wrote: post #229

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I do believe that charging for it is one way to create some friction, but it's not enough. Twitter is full of blue checks that are just bots and automated reply guys. I'm treating now all these bots as a stressor on our defense systems, and we will end up having to learn how to build a real Web of Trust, and really up our game on the PKI side. We also need some good Zero Knowledge proof of humanity that people can ti…

Instead of building a Web of Trust, a better solution might be to find efficient ways of clustering people. Look how civil and insightful this discussion is. Why? Because people have different "quality", even if it's not politically correct to talk about it, we all know it intuitively. Imagine a forum, where all the HN-level people are gradually clustered together, all the rednecks with conspiracy theories, all the l…

> magine a forum, where all (...) form their own independent echo-chambers.

That would be a horrible nightmare. You are falling for the same identity politics trap of the ones you are implicitly criticizing. You being on HN makes you no better than the "others".

> you won't be able to change most people's opinions anyway.

Who cares about "changing most people's opinions"?

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by Defletter »

solus_factor wrote: post #449
Defletter wrote: post #122

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Oh that's just human nature: there's a reason why trashy tabloids continue to exist despite how public sentiment seems to universally agree that they're awful spreaders of rumour and insecurity. More people are Skankhunt42 than we'd like to admit.

Shouldn't we try to do something about it and not just give up by saying "oh, that's just human nature, nothing you can do here"?

Sure, just be aware of what you're up against: if religion teaches us anything it's that even concerted, systematic efforts over millennia to conquer human nature (eg: libido) still fail. But if you want to give it a go, by all means: one can only imagine Sisyphus happy.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by chickensong »

solus_factor wrote: post #449
Defletter wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh that's just human nature: there's a reason why trashy tabloids continue to exist despite how public sentiment seems to universally agree that they're awful spreaders of rumour and insecurity. More people are Skankhunt42 than we'd like to admit.

Shouldn't we try to do something about it and not just give up by saying "oh, that's just human nature, nothing you can do here"?

What do you suggest?

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by 7bit »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #355
taikahessu wrote: post #308

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> users could then propose changes to the policy and democratically vote on those changes. Which, in fact, would open up the same rat race with determining which accounts are real and so forth. Not disagreeing with you, just circling around this same problem. Feels like the world still isn't ready yet.

If the policies are public, there's a lot more transparency. eg my city of millions of people has a subreddit. The head mod bans people for criticizing a certain dog breed. This "policy" is pretty opaque, but if the AI enforced subreddit rules say "thou shalt not mention the dog's breed when commenting on articles about someone being mauled to death", more people would be familiar with the rule (and perhaps there wou…

Bad mods will ignore the rules, regardless how transparent they are.

We're talking about a multi-layer problem where every solution open another multi-layered problem.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by himata4113 »

wafflemaker wrote: post #371
himata4113 wrote: post #345

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I don't know, never found much value in karma. I recreate an account at least once a year for no particular reason and it roughly takes me a week to get enough karma to do what is important (flagging posts).

My account is literally 4 years old and I'm not even halfway there. How do you do it? And I'm trying to limit myself from saying unwanted things like criticizing ** or saying something nice about **. (Self censoring to avoid downvotes). Maybe I should be more active.

I don't know. Just have something niche to share, be interesting. Don't be afraid of downvotes.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by _zagj »

jzig wrote: post #350

> None of it was enough. When you can't trust that the votes, the comments, and the engagement you're seeing are real, you've lost the foundation a community platform is built on. What is HN doing differently then?

Did you not see this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47282777

Look at how many updoots it has. Look at how many vacuous, enthusiastic replies it got. That post is especially egregious, but you see stuff like that on a lesser scale every day here, now. My favorite bit is when they go out of their way to shill specific plans/pricing, e.g.:

> You really NEED the $200 Claude MAX plan.

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