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The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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> So allow me to drop a line that would shock a weathered San Franciscan more than open defecation on Market Street: it's perfectly okay not to use AI.

The commenters here all seem to be weathered San Franciscans. They all deflect and change the subject. Everyone is falling prey to the hype, no hope left.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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No Man's Sky got better as they were more intentional with their content. The game has more substance and a lot of that had to be added by hand. It is dropped in procedurally but they had to touch it up, manually, to make it interesting. Let's not revise history. I don't think it has anything to do with ego. There are studies on the topic of AI and productivity and I assume we have a way to go before we can say anyth…

You said: > LLMs saving engineers and developers time is an unfounded claim By whom exactly? If I say it saves me time, and another developer says the same, and so on, than it is categorically not unfounded. In fact, it's the opposite. You've completely missed the point if you don't understand how telling other people that their own experience in such a large field is "unfounded" simply because it doesn't line up wit…

Anecdotal evidence, how scientific of you. When I say it's unfounded, I'm saying it hasn't been proven with actual research and data. So when you ask, "by whom?", that's exactly my point, it is unfounded. That's what that word means, no one has made a claim, backed by data, that AI is making significant waves on productivity. I don't think I've missed the point at all, but it seems I hit an emotional nerve with you though, so the conversation is over.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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People are in it for themselves...when it comes to participating in our capitalist economic system. The 2nd part is often left unsaid.

Humans overwhelming group themselves with groups that provide themselves with the best value prop. When the individuals circumstances change, which causes the value prop of the group to change, people overwhelming move to a new group. It's not a capitalist or socialist thing.

I'm in the groups I am because I like the people and what they're doing. I don't generally hang out with people because I expect it to benefit me.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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Most of the people doing the most rote and monotonous work were and are doing so in some of the least productive circumstances, with clear ways of increasing speed and productivity. If development velocity was truly an important factor in these businesses, we'd migrated away from that gang of four ass Java 8 codebase, given these poor souls offices, or at least cubicles to reduce the noise, we wouldn't make them spen…

Yep. It's ridiculous to talk about 10x or 5x or 2x anything in any but the smallest companies. All this talk about programmer velocity is micro-optimizing something that's not a bottleneck .

As if that weren't enough, LLM coding "productivity" is measured in lines of code, of all things.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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Yep. It's ridiculous to talk about 10x or 5x or 2x anything in any but the smallest companies. All this talk about programmer velocity is micro-optimizing something that's not a bottleneck .

Literally the most useful LLMs have been to me is dealing with the pile of corporate bullshit we have to put up with day to day. For example, we have to plan 8 to 12 sprints in advance. Full acceptance criteria, story points, and slotted into a sprint with points balanced across the team. Of course this is utterly useless, anything past the second sprint is going to be wrong, but they want it done. LLMs got me throug…

Making the bullshit cheaper to inflict only means that soon you will be graced with even more of it. Bullshit expands until capacity for it is exhausted.

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As someone who has implemented a fair few DSLs, lexical and syntactic analysis is pretty much the same anywhere, and the structure of the lexer/parser does not really depend on the grammar of the language. And even semantic analysis is at least very similar in most PLs. Even DSLs. Assuming you're using concepts like variables and functions. When it comes to codegen / interpreter runtimes, things start to diverge. But…

It's pretty much WIP but if you are interested here is the repo. https://github.com/No3371/zoh The points you brought up all are valid. Lexer, parser and general concepts are not language-specific, yes, and I wasn't talking about how the implementation is different. When I said "you can tell they sometimes get confused and have trouble to comply to the foreign language spec and design", I was thinking about the many…

I see, so the LLM was generating text _in_ the DSL. Makes sense.

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> I don't think this will happen Block just laid off 40% of their company citing AI.

Tech companies have been laying off employees for a while now. I think it's mostly due to pandemic overhiring and higher interest rates but I suppose we'll see.

junior dev hiring is down 60%, that’s not just a post pandemic correction.

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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What the author and many others find hard to digest is that LLMs are surfacing the reality that most of our work is a small bit of novelty against boiler plate redundant code. Most of what we do is programming is some small novel idea at high level and repeatable boilerplate at low level. A fair question is: why hasn’t the boilerplate been automated as libraries or other abstractions? LLMs are especially good at fuzz…

what i find hard to digest is not being able to pay rent and dying of old age in a ditch in poverty

dying of old age, what luxury, I’m more worried about starving to death in my mid 50s.

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> It is there to reduce our agency, to make it easier to fire us, to put us in even more precarious position Could be. It could also end up freeing us from every commercial dependency we have. Write your own OS, your own mail app, design your own machinery to farm with. It’s here, so I don’t know where you’re going with “I’m unhappy this is happening and someone should do something”

What happens when they decide it's a national security threat and an act of domestic terrorism to use AI to undermine commercial dependencies? We're all acting like AI isn't being invented within the context of and used by a fascist regime.

Look, from a point of view of a person outside of US, you are all fascists, "democrats" and trumpists. Dont take this as "trolling", but as a sincere opinion (I dont care about your internal brawls, I care for what you do to others.)

Re: The L in "LLM" Stands for Lying

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"It's undeniable there's a metric gigaton of hype surrounding the technology." Why does the hype (cf. "LLMs") need to be defended For example, it's unlikely to see HN replies that go something like, "Yeah the hype sucks, but..." Instead, there will almost always be attempts to defend against any criticism of _the hype_ A comment such as "I do not use LLMs", i.e., I don't believe the hype, is likely to be challenged T…

It's unfortunate but the marketing spin has transcended into public discourse, to the point where people take these wild aspirational claims about LLMs for granted. As opposed to what they are - sales pitches.

It doesn't help that there is now so much capital tied up in these products whether directly or indirectly that a lot of people and organizations find themselves unwilling to face the reality of what the products can and cannot do.

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