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Alternatives to private messaging on TikTok? Uh, Signal. SimpleX. Session. XMPP/OTR. PGP. Discussing things on TikTok, that the government must not know about, seems a bad idea.
Exactly. And once those ones are established: Why not have all discussions there; not just the ones where you explicitly want to hide something (for whatever dubious or legit reason).
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> Would it be a fair argument to say the police have a better opportunity to prevent crimes if they can enter your house without a warrant? This is a false equivalency. I don't have to use TikTok DMs if I want E2EE. I don't have a choice about laws that allow the police to violate my rights. I'm not claiming that all E2EE apps should be banned. > Right, but this is worlds apart from "sharing the encryption key with a…
> This is a false equivalency. I'm not making an equivalency. I'm just trying to get you to think how something that is at surface level true is not necessarily a "fair argument". > I don't have to use TikTok DMs if I want E2EE. I don't know why you think this is a convincing argument. It is currently illegal to tap people's phone lines, but when phones were invented it obviously was not illegal. It became illegal in…
Then you can avoid using platforms that do not offer E2EE.
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Yes, but this leaves the only way to identify this behavior as by reporting from a minor. I'm not saying I trust TikTok to only do good things with access to DMs, but I think it's a fair argument in this scenario to say that a platform has a better opportunity to protect minors if messages aren't encrypted. I'm not saying no E2E messaging apps should exist, but maybe it doesn't need to for minors in social media apps…
> I'm not saying no E2E messaging apps should exist, but maybe it doesn't need to for minors in social media apps. However, an alternative could be allowing the sharing of the encryption key with a parent so that there is the ability for someone to monitor messages. The problem with that idea, that you are implying E2E should require age verification. Everyone should have access to secure end to end encryption.
I can understand why might draw that conclusion, but I would not personally support this.
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Exactly. And once those ones are established: Why not have all discussions there; not just the ones where you explicitly want to hide something (for whatever dubious or legit reason).
Because you know someone's TikTok handle and you don't know their email address and PGP key
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Depends on your definition of "safe". Imagine an adult DMs a nude photo to a minor (or other kinds of predation). If it's E2EE, no one except the sender and receiver know about this conversation. You want an MITM in this case to detect/block such things or at least keep record of what's going on for a subpoena. I agree that every messaging platform in the world shouldn't be MITM'd, but every messaging platform doesn'…
SimpleX handles this by sending the decryption keys when the receiver reports the message.
It's clearly possible.
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I don't think debazel was saying that children should have been banned from owning computers for the benefit of the children. He was saying that children should have been banned from owning computers so that the government would have no excuse to regulate what's allowed on computers.
so we agree that governments only using the safety of children as pretext to extend their control of people's lives, otherwise there are better solution protect children of the harms of the internet.