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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by chuckadams »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #390
baxtr wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about? Anyone can use Claude afaik?

> Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about? This administration built almost entirely of dunces and conmen has convinced itself/been convinced that chatbots will help them in deciding where to send nukes, and/or they are invested in the incredibly over-leveraged companies engaged in the AI-boom and stand to profit directly by siphoning taxpayer dollars to said companies. My money is on the latter…

> they will have an extremely hard time winning any election ever again

Heard that one before. We'll get a reprieve of 4-8 years and the vote will go to the fascists again. Take that to the bank.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by techblueberry »

thewebguyd wrote: post #302
nickysielicki wrote: post #237

This could kill Anthropic. The designation says any contractor, supplier, or partner doing business with the US military can’t conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. Well, AWS has JWCC. Microsoft has Azure Government. Google has DoD contracts. If that language is enforced broadly, then Claude gets kicked off Bedrock, Vertex, and potentially Azure… which is where all the enterprise revenue lives. Claude canno…

Not entirely true. The designation only applies to projects that touch the federal government, or software developed specifically for the federal government. Contractors can still use Claude internally in their business, so long as it is not used in government work directly. A complete ban would be adding Anthropic to the NDAA, which requires congress. The DoD designation allows the DoD to make contractors certify th…

The language in the tweet was

" Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic."

Is that just his fantasy or?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by tomp »

eckelhesten wrote: post #4

Hard decision by Anthropic, but at least they can sleep well at night knowing their products doesn’t kill human beings around the world.

A bit of a cop-out, don't you think?

They still pay taxes, which fund the US government, which kills innocent human beings around the world...

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by nenadg »

baxtr wrote: post #275
outside2344 wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real question we should be asking is what others HAVE agreed to. Has OpenAI just agreed to let the government go crazy with their models?

Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about? Anyone can use Claude afaik?

top signal

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by direwolf20 »

outside2344 wrote: post #249
NickAndresen wrote: post #15

"They have threatened to remove us from their systems if we maintain these safeguards; they have also threatened to designate us a “supply chain risk”—a label reserved for US adversaries, never before applied to an American company—and to invoke the Defense Production Act to force the safeguards’ removal. These latter two threats are inherently contradictory: one labels us a security risk; the other labels Claude as…

The real question we should be asking is what others HAVE agreed to. Has OpenAI just agreed to let the government go crazy with their models?

Yes. All companies that deal with the government have agreed to let the government do whatever it wants within the bounds of whatever it is those companies do.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by [deleted] »

runjake wrote: post #336

> Anthropic’s stance is fundamentally incompatible with American principles. I don't think that Secretary Hegseth is qualified to speak on American principles. Cheating on multiple spouses[1], being an active alcoholic, and being accused of multiple sexual assaults and paying off the accusers[3] is fundamentally incompatible with being a Secretary of Defense and a good leader. Also, this violates freedom of speech an…

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by arduanika »

coffeemug wrote: post #32

I can honestly understand both positions. The U.S. military must be able to use technology as it sees fit; it cannot allow private companies to control the use of military equipment. Anthropic must prevent a future where AIs make autonomous life and death decisions without humans in the loop. Living in that future is completely untenable. What I don’t understand is why the two parties couldn’t reach agreement. Surely…

I can see both sides as pertains to Trump's initial decision to stop working with Claude, but now, this over-the-top "supply chain risk" designation from Hegseth is something else. It's hard to square it with any real principle that I've seen the admin articulate.

> What I don’t understand is why the two parties couldn’t reach agreement.

Someday we'll have to elect a POTUS who is known for his negotiation and dealmaking skills.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by mitchbob »

baxtr wrote: post #275
outside2344 wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real question we should be asking is what others HAVE agreed to. Has OpenAI just agreed to let the government go crazy with their models?

Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about? Anyone can use Claude afaik?

Best summary by far that I've seen:

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/the-pentagon-threatens-anth...

Discussed here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47154983

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