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Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Re: Resizing windows on macOS Tahoe – the saga continues

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Post by donmcronald »

kn100 wrote: post #329
olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

Gnome Shell in particular offers a ridiculously coherent, sane window management. Nobody agrees with all the choices the Gnome Team took to get here, but it sure is nice there being one way of doing everything that makes sense contextually.

I don't even know if Gnome and Gnome Shell are the same thing. One thing I do know is the default install of Gnome on Debian 13 leaves you without a dock, without a system tray, and without minimize/maximize buttons. They purposely remove the three most important tools the average user relies on for navigation.

It's like trying to make a car without any round edges because "square edges are better". Good luck with the wheels!

I can fix that somewhat with extensions, but every normal person I know will take one look at the defaults and abandon it. That's a reasonable choice in my opinion. Why use something where the first interaction gives you a clear indication you're going to be fighting against developer ideology?

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Post by delaminator »

zamalek wrote: post #406
delaminator wrote: post #375

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That's where I learned the power of tiling. Years of using the Acme text editor. When you also learn drop down menus are not needed either.

Yup, but "normies" do need menus or at least some way to do things that has some degree of visual affordance (e.g. a persistent cmd/ctrl+p, which I think Office has/had).

not everyone can drive a Ferrari

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Post by dsego »

staticassertion wrote: post #431
olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

I've been using a Mac basically full time for years now, due to work. It's easily the worst UX and it's sort of shocking, after decades of hearing "it just works" or whatever. Hidden windows, hidden desktops , obscure keyboard shortcuts, etc. I actually don't even know how to use the mac for the most part, I've learned to live in the terminal. I contrast this with Linux where I can just... idk, browse files? Where wi…

> I figured out

Or you could maybe learn how to use the OS, in linux lingo RTFM. I don't want to be rude, but the critique was very flippant, the arguments vague, all about expectations based on years using a different OS, doesn't seem you want to give it a fair chance.

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Post by pjerem »

zeppelin101 wrote: post #449
staticassertion wrote: post #447

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> "forget all the 'bad Windows habits' and just learn the Apple way of things I mean I'd be willing to say I don't get it, because I sure as fuck do not get it. But I think I'd absolutely reject the "forget all the other stuff, learn this". It's been literally years on a Mac. I remember the frustration of going from Windows to Linux, I look back at that adjustment and laugh, it's hilarious to me that that felt frustr…

And yes, the fullscreen mode is the perfect example. It is so shockingly poorly implemented that I almost never use it. Even if someone thought it was 'good enough', that doesn't change the fact that there is a forced transition animation when going to/from fullscreen that is unreasonably slow and awkward.

I actually like the concept of an app in full screen creating a new virtual desktop.

I feel like it’s really intuitive when you switch desktops with the trackpad.

It’s just incredibly poorly implemented, like all the window management on macOS.

Disclaimer : I own MacBooks since 2010 and I have seen macOS rotting update after update. To me they achieved a really mature and pretty well thought OS with Snow Leopard and it’s been slowly rolling downhill since then.

I can totally say that KDE AND Gnome AND Cinnamon AND Sway AND even the immature Niri are all better experiences than macOS.

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Post by dsego »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #307
latexr wrote: post #220

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I abhor the current state of macOS and Tim Cook’s leadership, but your take is nonsensical. For one, “it just works” hasn’t been used in over a decade, same as Google’s “don’t be evil”, which does tell you something about their current philosophies. But more importantly, “it just works” was obviously never about it “it reads your mind and does every software feature however you personally like”, it was about the inte…

I miss 2016 apple

When they ditched all the ports and added the butterfly keyboard?

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Post by pjerem »

dpe82 wrote: post #429
AmazingTurtle wrote: post #379

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I set up windows 11 on a laptop for my dad so he can read emails and browse the web. Came back 3 months later when he told me he couldn't see the PDF files anymore. Turns out he installed THREE different PDF viewers that he randomly found on google, they installed tons of bloatware/spyware, replaced browser toolbars and searches etc. to a point where I decided to just restore from a recovery point. Told him not to do…

ChromeOS is a really great option for "just want to read emails and browse the web".

Oh yeah, at least with ChromeOS, Chrome isn’t installing itself like a spyware alongside any other software installer.

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Post by cpuguy83 »

loeber wrote: post #160
anschwa wrote: post #136

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On macOS, you can enable window dragging by holding down the Control+Command keys with this command: defaults write -g NSWindowShouldDragOnGesture -bool true I use this with "three finger drag", and resizing at the window border hasn't been much of an issue for me.

MacOS is the "it just works" operating system. As such, I think the moment that you need to declare custom workarounds like this, it kind of loses its legitimacy, and you should already be in Linux land.

This used to be option exposed in settings.

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Post by iammattmurphy »

malfist wrote: post #421
johnwalkr wrote: post #241

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>Screens are getting bigger and bigger, yet they make things smaller and harder to click on. And despite things being smaller, there's also white space everywhere so there is less information on your screen. The trend in UIs is making filenames into discrete icons instead of lists. In outlook this morning all I got 3 attachments and it's 3 icons that all are something almost identical like " 2026-02-13_A....docx" and…

I launched spotify on my phone today and it had a grid of playlists I could chose from. The grid showed a maximum of 6 characters per playlist over two lines, but there was certainly a lot of whitespace available, and some random album art that told me nothing. It was basically unusable, but I'm sure some designer thought it was slick. Screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ii0xb6fcnexdfpdudayj1/2026-02...

That’s actually unreal. You’d think with all the money they steal from artists they could afford UX that isn’t hilariously bad.

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Post by hbn »

staticassertion wrote: post #431
olivierestsage wrote: post #297

It really has gotten to the point where Linux offers the best option for a sane desktop experience. Watching Windows and macOS implode while KDE and Gnome slowly get better and better has really been something. Not quite at the point I'd recommend them for grandma and grandpa, but not that far off, either.

I've been using a Mac basically full time for years now, due to work. It's easily the worst UX and it's sort of shocking, after decades of hearing "it just works" or whatever. Hidden windows, hidden desktops , obscure keyboard shortcuts, etc. I actually don't even know how to use the mac for the most part, I've learned to live in the terminal. I contrast this with Linux where I can just... idk, browse files? Where wi…

You're making multiple desktops sound very confusing when it's really not. Every desktop OS has them and macOS' implementation is quite good. You want bad virtual desktops, try Windows.

Maybe you're better suited for an iPad.

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Post by renmillar »

impish9208 wrote: post #295

I’ve so far resisted using HN for tech support, but I’ll jump on the macOS hate bandwagon. My MBP M1 Max with 32 GB RAM has become near-unusable with Tahoe. Trying to switch users? Frozen. Click on something? Beachballs. There’s visible stutter and hangs in the lock screen animations. I hate it so much.

I'm running Tahoe on an M1 Air with 16GB RAM and it's been smooth for me. Might be worth trying a fresh OS install? Something seems off with your setup.
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