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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by wafflemaker »

joe_mamba wrote: post #274
pests wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the thought of requiring others to show their faces never occurred to me at all I know you meant as a service provider, but as a avid IRC (and an online game that conventionally alt-tabbed into a irc-like chat window) chatter as a young preteen in the 90s and 00s, I made a lot of online friends that I would not discover what they looked like IRL for decades, some never. People I was gaming with in the 90s, for the…

>as a young preteen in the 90s and 00s, I made a lot of online friends As another 90s preteen, sure, but the internet today has a lot more pedos and groomers online than in the 90s, and preteens today easily share footage of themselves to those adult weirdos, which didn't happen in the 90s because mostly limitations of technology. BUt if you look at tiktok live it's full of preteen girls dancing, and creepy old men d…

Chat rooms in early 2000s were full pedos.

And they didn't even try to hide very much.

Look at the story from darknet diaries, where the interviewee talks about setting up an AOL account with girlie name and instantly getting flooded with messages, 9/10 of them being from pedos.

https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/56/

Don't have any examples myself because I was a spectrum kid at that time, quite oblivious to the idea.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by iepathos »

voxic11 wrote: post #387
adjfasn47573 wrote: post #293

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You forgot one (the sane one, which is coming soon anyway): Using a government issued eID system. The EU is going to rollout eID in a way that a site can just ask “is this person > age xy?”. The answer is cryptographically secure in the sense that this person really is this age, but no other information about you has to be known by the site owner. Which is the actual correct way to do it. I don’t understand why all t…

What I don't understand about this approach is if it's truly completely privacy preserving what stops me from making a service where anyone can use my ID to verify? If the site owner really learns nothing about me except for my age then they can't tell that it's the same id being used for every account. And if the government truly knows nothing about the sites I verify on they can't tell that I'm misusing the id eith…

The hole is closed with per-site pseudonyms. Your wallet generates a unique cryptographic key pair for each site so same person + same site = same pseudonym, same person + different sites = different, unlinkable pseudonyms.

"The actual correct way" is an overstatement that misses jfaganel99's point. There are always tradeoffs. EUDI is no exception. It sacrifices full anonymity to prevent credential sharing so the site can't learn your identity, but it can recognize you across visits and build a behavioral profile under your pseudonym.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by munk-a »

hparadiz wrote: post #450
munk-a wrote: post #439

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When I was an early teen I had access to the internet but my activities weren't entirely unsupervised (and I doubt yours were either). Since it was a new technology there was a lot of discussion around how best to talk to children and make sure they felt safe reporting threats or harms to parents. A smart phone is too disconnected of a device when compared to the desktops we all grew up on. No one is talking about fu…

Mine was not supervised cause immigrant parents that didn't know anything about computers really. So more or less entirely unsupervised. By 16 I was regularly ignoring my parents to go to bed when I was up coding or gaming and doing dumb script kiddie stuff on IRC. I had an adult introduce me to Astalavista ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astalavista.box.sk ) Thinking back to that I was very well aware of the fucked…

Do you think the younger generations are properly prepared to view the internet as having a dark side? My impression has been that such an early introduction has caused those warnings to be delayed and lost and younger folks are much more trusting of the internet than most millenials were.

It's also important to acknowledge that kids that used the internet weren't everyone in our day and the usage of the internet varied wildly. While now-a-days it's an expectation for everyone to be at least moderately online (often required by academia) and often that their presences are tied to their real names.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by miki123211 »

manuelmoreale wrote: post #383
snackbroken wrote: post #379

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First, children also have a right to free speech. It is perhaps even more important than for adults, as children are not empowered to do anything but speak. Second, it's turn-key authoritarianism. E.g. "show me the IDs of everyone who has talked about being gay" or "show me a list of the 10,000 people who are part of that's embarrassing me politically" or "which of my enemies like to watch embarrassing pornography?".…

> First, children also have a right to free speech. Maybe I'm wrong (not reading all the regulations that are coming up) but the scope of these regulations is not to ban speech but rather to prevent people under a certain age to access a narrow subset of the websites that exist on the web. That to me looks like a significant difference. As for your other two points, I can't really argue against those because they are…

> narrow subset of the websites on the web

Under most of these laws, most websites with user-generated content qualify.

I'd be a lot more fine with it if it was just algorithms designed for addiction (defining that in law is tricky), but AFAIK a simple forum where kids can talk to each other about familial abuse or whatever would also qualify.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by gunapologist99 »

adjfasn47573 wrote: post #293
jfaganel99 wrote: post #282

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You forgot one (the sane one, which is coming soon anyway): Using a government issued eID system. The EU is going to rollout eID in a way that a site can just ask “is this person > age xy?”. The answer is cryptographically secure in the sense that this person really is this age, but no other information about you has to be known by the site owner. Which is the actual correct way to do it. I don’t understand why all t…

"Papers, please" is the fastest and slipperiest slope to authoritarianism. Europeans are ironically blasé.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by hparadiz »

munk-a wrote: post #453
hparadiz wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mine was not supervised cause immigrant parents that didn't know anything about computers really. So more or less entirely unsupervised. By 16 I was regularly ignoring my parents to go to bed when I was up coding or gaming and doing dumb script kiddie stuff on IRC. I had an adult introduce me to Astalavista ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astalavista.box.sk ) Thinking back to that I was very well aware of the fucked…

Do you think the younger generations are properly prepared to view the internet as having a dark side? My impression has been that such an early introduction has caused those warnings to be delayed and lost and younger folks are much more trusting of the internet than most millenials were. It's also important to acknowledge that kids that used the internet weren't everyone in our day and the usage of the internet var…

I think so yes. What's acceptable changes over time. Gore "content" of WW2 is now presented to 12 year olds as history.

It's not the porn or the LiveLeak gore content that would have me worried. It's groomers and other adults with bad intentions. Not something you can easily block and not something this ID check will stop. A groomer will slow burn a social relationship with someone until they are legal adults. That's something you can only teach someone to look out for. And even adults are susceptible to this.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by luke727 »

nine_k wrote: post #447
luke727 wrote: post #392

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I meant that it's not a solution for users looking to avoid similar intrusions. When alternative platforms get big enough they'll be faced with the same legislative burdens. Of course there are decentralized options, but one of the primary attractions of these centralized services is that everyone's on there.

The point is that the alternative platforms should be small per-community chat servers run by their users. A one-click installation on a $5/mo web host like DO or Vultr or similar. Good luck policing them away.

The problem is that this is too tedious for most people. There's a reason centralization is popular.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by rockskon »

FMecha wrote: post #413
rockskon wrote: post #290

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No law mandates Discord impose this globally. To be clear - this is a wholly discretionary act on their part to implement this in jurisdictions that have no such legal requirement.

They are doing this pre-emptively since it will be the global law trend sooner or later.

That's not for Discord or you to decide nor is that guaranteed!

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by munk-a »

hparadiz wrote: post #457
munk-a wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the younger generations are properly prepared to view the internet as having a dark side? My impression has been that such an early introduction has caused those warnings to be delayed and lost and younger folks are much more trusting of the internet than most millenials were. It's also important to acknowledge that kids that used the internet weren't everyone in our day and the usage of the internet var…

I think so yes. What's acceptable changes over time. Gore "content" of WW2 is now presented to 12 year olds as history. It's not the porn or the LiveLeak gore content that would have me worried. It's groomers and other adults with bad intentions. Not something you can easily block and not something this ID check will stop. A groomer will slow burn a social relationship with someone until they are legal adults. That's…

I remain skeptical. I have some 20sish cousins that seem to be highly aware of the potential dangers online and were pretty clear eyed about it in their teens - but the relatives I have that are five years younger seem absurdly trusting. This is empirical of course but it's concerning to me.
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