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Yea, I enjoy being the engineer
A rare occurrence these days. I suppose a lot of it has to do with shrinking attention spans and instant gratification and the lack of effort required to do so many things that required even a little bit of effort before
OpenClaw is changing my life
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#452Earlier quoted context omitted.
That was very vague, but I kinda get where they're coming from. I'm now using pi (the thing openclaw is built on) and within a few days i build a tmux plugin and semaphore plugin^1, and it has automated the way _I_ used to use Claude. The things I disagree with OP is: The usefulness of persistent memory beyond a single line in AGENTS.md "If the user says 'next time' update your AGENTS.md", the use of long-running loo…
Would you describe your Claude workflow?
I have an idea, agent turns it into a draft, depending on idea vagueness/complexity combination of: Looking for alternative, plan the change, look for alternative, split up into smaller drafts to drive separately, execute change (spec, code, tests), review change.
Usually its just: Draft, plan, exec, commit. The steps are flexible enough. Usually each step is a different agent, sometimes not. On complex builds or big changes, a planning agent itself might spawn subagents to avoid bloating its own context.
The progress is stored in: ./dev/{draft/.md , wip//, fin// }.
My `lead` pi has a separate AGENTS.md with how to organize the above sequence, and some notes on how to prompt, keep things small, etc. Note that its skill `tmux-coding-agrents` calls other pi instances (optionally set to codex). I've moved off the claude cli entirely.
I used to spend time telling claude not to forget updating the specs or building its tests because context bloat made them forget AGENTS.md, or to read certain files before it should execute a plan. The lead agent does this just fine now, and every time i see it make a mistake i say: "Next time do X" and it automatically updates its own or the worker agents AGENTS.md.
Because my lead agent context is all about managing this process it doesn't forget steps while its off chasing some bug.
Also, I build (but did not publish) a pi plugin that attempts to use other accounts on usage limits.
Most surprising moment I had, was my lead spawning a subagent, spawning a subagent, which spawned a tmux-bash build with very little prompting, and it was the right thing to do to prevent each agent from context bloat.
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#453Re: OpenClaw is changing my life
#454There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…
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#455Don't compare your day 1 with some one's day 100
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#456> it completely transformed my workflow, whether it’s personal or commercial projects > This has truly freed up my productivity, letting me pursue so many ideas I couldn’t move forward on before If you're writing in a blog post that AI has changed your life and let you build so many amazing projects, you should link to the projects. Somehow 90% of these posts don't actually link to the amazing projects that their aut…
>Somehow 90% of these posts don't actually link to the amazing projects that their author is supposedly building with AI. Maybe they don't feel like sharing yet another half working Javascript Sudoku Solver or yet another half working AI tool no one will ever use? Probably they feel amazed about what they accomplished but they feel the public won't feel the same.
That's the whole point of sharing with the rest of us. If they write for themselves, a private journal to track their progress, then there is no need to share what is actually been built. If they do though make grand claims to everybody then it would be more helpful for people who do read the piece to actually be able to see what has been produced. Maybe it's wonderful for the author but it's not the level of quality required for readers.
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#457There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…
interesting.
how much planning do you put into your project without AI anyway?
Pretty much all the teams I've been involved in:
- never did any analysis planning, and just yolo it along the way in their PR - every PR is an island, with tunnel vision - fast forward 2 years. and we have to throw it out and start again.
So why are you thinking you're going to get anything different with LLMs?
And plan mode isn't just a single conversation that you then flip to do mode...
you're supposed to create detailed plans and research that you then use to make the LLM refer back to and align with.
This was the point of the Ralph Loop
Re: OpenClaw is changing my life
#458There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…
Re: OpenClaw is changing my life
#459There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…
In this author's case, they currently work for a company that .. wait for it .. less than 2 weeks ago launched some "AI image generation built for teams" product. (Also, oddly, the author lists himself as the 'Technical Director' at the company, working there for 5-6 years, but the company's Team page doesn't list him as an employee).
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#460I quite like it just from the simple perspective that its a local LLM provider that's available to chat with in tons of apps I already use (e.g. Discord); its a good reduction in the number of parties who are privy to these conversations. I'm not sure if there's another system out there that's so plug-and-play, with so many options for conversation (Discord, Telegram, text, self-hosted web ui, etc).
But the tool calling is vastly overblown. It takes forever to get them set up, and that's to get them barely working. Bluebubbles has always been an ish app whose reverse engineering of the iMessage protocol is more likely to break on every macOS upgrade than do what you want it to do; and OpenClaw's iMessage integration is built on it. I've not yet gotten a Spotify skill to work (though I'm not sure what I'd do with it when I have one); the models just run in circles saying "it should be set up, ope its not, spotify_player sucks, lets try spt, wait that isn't working, lets try ncspot, why isn't this working". The "gog" tool is interesting, its a CLI-based tool for accessing data in your google account, it works alright, though OpenClaw's icon for the tool in their repository is a game controller icon; I suspect a mistaken, likely vibed, reference to the unrelated GOG/Good Ol' Games PC game store. What a mess. I could go on.
The cheaper models critically struggle to grep the full array of tools they have available to them. Kimi K2.5 exhibits this behavior where it will reiterate that it does not have access to my calendar, but usually if I ask it four or five times in a row, eventually it will claim it "discovered" the gog/Google Calendar tool in a hidden sub-directory (what?). Even with more intelligent models, like Opus or 5.2/5.3, the tools oftentimes need to be invoked with highly specific verbiage; "what's on my calendar" might work if you're lucky, but "use gog to fetch my calendar and display today's events" usually works.
I oftentimes just don't see the point. I can click the Gmail or Google Calendar app on my phone and get what I need out of those apps in less-than 6 seconds; it would take longer for me to dictate the exact phrasing to get what I need out of OpenClaw, let alone type it. I can see some argument for cross-operating on data between two apps, but getting that to work without paying Anthropic fifty cents for every query is even rarer. When I need an LLM to operate on my Obsidian notes, I can just use Claude Code or OpenCode... why do I need OpenClaw?
(I am genuinely open minded here; but articles like this just dance around high-minded abstract ideas of "im a super ai manager im so productive" without giving concrete examples. My suspicion is that the people who write these things were previously deeply unproductive people, and now AI has enabled them to achieve a mere fraction of the productivity that most of us already had.)
(And that's being generous. I think there's also a lot of grifters out there. I'll have to fire a stray at Cloudflare for this one: They've published a "get OpenClaw working on Cloudflare" repo where, if you set it up, would straight up cost you $50-$60, maybe $100/month; and they lie [1] about the cost in their own documentation. And you're paying that in addition to the LLM cost. Very bad look from a company I admire.)
[1] https://github.com/cloudflare/moltworker/issues/76#issuecomm...