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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by bodge5000 » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 10:37 PM UTC

geophile wrote: post #178

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

The article gets at this briefly and moves on: "I can do all of this with the experience on my back of having laid the bricks, spread the mortar, cut and sewn for twenty years. If I don’t like something, I can go in, understand it and fix it as I please, instructing once and for all my setup to do what I want next time." I think this dynamic applies to any use of AI, or indeed, any form of outsourcing. You can outsou…

On the face of it, this or at least acting as a code reviewer from an experienced point of view seems like the solution, the problem is that we all naturally get lazy and complacent. I actually think AI was at its best for coding a year or so ago, when it could kind of do part of the work but theres no way you could ever ship it. Code that works today but breaks in 6 months is far more insidious.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by solidasparagus » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 10:43 PM UTC

fourside wrote: post #183

ipsento606 wrote: post #115

> Software engineers are scared of designing things themselves. When I use a framework, it's because I believe that the designers of that framework are i) probably better at software engineering than I am, and ii) have encountered all sorts of problems and scaling issues (both in terms of usage and actual codebase size) that I haven't encountered yet, and have designed the framework to ameliorate those problems. Thos…

Yeah the “not invented here” syndrome was considered an anti pattern before the agentic coding boom and I don’t see how these tools make it irrelevant. If you’re starting a business, it’s still likely a distraction if you’re writing all of the components of your stack from scratch. Agentic tools have made development less expensive, but it’s still far from zero. By the author’s admission, they still need to think thr…

I'm not sure.

The cost of replacement-level software drops a lot with agentic coding. And maintenance tasks are similarly much smaller time syncs. When you combine that with the long-standing benefits of inhouse software (customizable to your exact problem, tweakable, often cleaner code because the feature-set can be a lot smaller), I think a lot of previously obvious dependencies become viable to write in house.

It's going to vary a lot by the dependency and scope - obvious owning your own react is a lot different than owning your own leftpad, but to me it feels like there's no way that agentic coding doesn't shift the calculus somewhat. Particularly when agentic coding make a lot of nice-to-have mini-features trivial to add so the developer experience gap between a maintained library and a homegrown solution is smaller than it used to be.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by hakunin » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 10:48 PM UTC

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #438

hakunin wrote: post #346

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I'm not using a narrow sense. There is no elasticity here. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterministic_system > significant extra effort is required to make them reproducible. Zero extra effort is required. It is reproducible. The same input produces the same output. The "my machine" in "Works on my machine" is an example of input. > Engineering in the broader sense often deals with managing the outputs of variab…

If we want to get really narrow I'd say real determinism is possible only in abstract systems, to which you'd reply it's just my ignorance of all possible factors involved and hence the incompleteness of the model. To which I'd point of practical limitations involved with that. And that reason, even though it is incorrect and I don't use it in this way, I understand why some people are using the quantifiers more/less…

I don't think I'm being pedantic or narrow. Cosmic rays, power spikes, and falling cows can change the course of deterministic software. I'm saying that your "compiler" either has intentionally designed randomness (or "creativity") in it, or it doesn't. Not sure why we're acting like these are more or less deterministic. They are either deterministic or not inside normal operation of a computer.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by kolinko » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 10:48 PM UTC

poulsbohemian wrote: post #378

scoofy wrote: post #341

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I spent Dry January working on a new coding project and since all my nerd friends have been telling me to try to code with LLM's I gave it a shot and signed up to Google Gemini... All I can say is "holy shit, I'm a believer." I've probably got close to a year's worth of coding done in a month and a half. Busy work that would have taken me a day to look up, figure out, and write -- boring shit like matplotlib illustra…

What kind of project / prompts - what’s working for you? /I spent a good 20 years in the software world but have been away doing other things professionally for couple years. Recently was in the same place as you, with a new project and wanting to try it out. So I start with a generic Django project in VSCode, use the agent mode, and… what a waste of time. The auto-complete suggestions it makes are frequently wrong,…

Also >20 years in software. The VSCode/autocomplete, regardless of the model, never worked good for me. But Claude Code is something else - it doesn't do autocomplete per se - it will do modifications, test, if it fails debug, and iterate until it gets it right.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by kristopolous » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 10:50 PM UTC

They're addressing the same need and yield the same behavior patterns and thus will have the same organizational outcomes

I talked about it in a currently unfinished blog post, here's the section

"In the 2000s and 2010s, this was the core conflict of frameworks. Does the framework have enough alignment with the task that it would cumulatively simplify things.

However, this is not how we behave. Instead habituation promotes einstellung where we end up relying on the tool of the AI to do the trivial. This is closely related to Automation bias and OOTL."

It's not complete but here it is anyways

https://blog.day50.dev/intro/vibedrift/

Things like the einstellung effect are important in vibe coding, software design and framework use. It's a truism about meta tool use and the relationships and behavior systems that accompany them along with the epistemological edifices they prop up. Quoting Wikipedia:

"After solving many problems which had the same solution, subjects applied the same solution to later problems even though a simpler solution existed"

I should get back and finish it probably by this week.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by xeromal » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 10:51 PM UTC

zer00eyz wrote: post #374

J_Shelby_J wrote: post #357

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Id wager my life savings that devs aren’t even 1.5x more productive using these tools.

Dead wrong. Because the world is still filled with problems that would once have been on the wrong side of the is it worth your time matrix ( https://xkcd.com/1205/ ) There are all sorts of things that I, personally, should have automated long ago that I threw at claud to do for me. What was the cost to me? Prompt and a code review. Meanwhile, on larger tasks an LLM deeply integrated into my IDE has been a boon. Havi…

Yup, I've already run like 6 of my personal projects including 1 for my wife that I had lost interest in. For a few dollars, these are now actually running and being used by my family. These tools are a great enabler for people like me. lol

I used to complain when my friends and family gave me ideas for something they wanted or needed help with because I was just too tired to do it after a day's work. Now I can sit next to them and we can pair program an entire idea in an evening.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by nottorp » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 10:56 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #303

nottorp wrote: post #256

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> In fact, LLMs will be better than humans in learning new frameworks. LLMs don't learn? The neural networks are trained just once before release and it's a -ing expensive process. Have you tried using one on your existing code base, which is basically a framework for whatever business problem you're solving? Did it figure it out automagically? They know react.js and nest.js and next.js and whatever.js because they h…

If its on github eventually it will cycle into the training data. I have also seen Claude pull down code to look at from github.

How much proprietary business logic is on public github repos?

I'm not talking about "do me this solo founder saas little thing". I'm talking about working on existing codebases running specialized stuff for a functional company or companies.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by kaydub » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 10:57 PM UTC

Centigonal wrote: post #324

This is a wild take. Good frameworks come with clever, well-thought-out abstractions and defensive patterns for dealing with common problems experienced when working in the space the framework covers. frameworks are also often well-documented and well-supported by the community, creating common ways of doing things with well understood strengths and weaknesses. In some cases, it's going to make sense to drop your dep…

Yeah, definitely a stupid take from OP. LLMs are very strong at using the frameworks, it makes it easier to hire people to work on your codebase, it makes it easier for future uses of LLMs since they'll have a lot of framework details in their training data, etc.

Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by alexpotato » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 11:01 PM UTC

mark242 wrote: post #215

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

I would argue that it's going to be the opposite. At re:Invent, one of the popular sessions was in creating a trio of SRE agents, one of which did nothing but read logs and report errors, one of which did analysis of the errors and triaged and proposed fixes, and one to do the work and submit PRs to your repo. Then, as part of the session, you would artificially introduce a bug into the system, then run into the bug…

Speaking as someone who has been both a SRE/DevOps from all levels from IC to Global Head of a team:

- I 100% believe this is happening and is probably going to be the case in the next 6 months. I've seen Claude and Grok debug issues when they only had half of the relevant evidence (e.g. Given A and B, it's most likely X). It can even debug complex issues between systems using logs, metrics etc. In other words, everything a human would do (and sometimes better).

- The situation described is actually not that different from being a SRE manager. e.g. as you get more senior, you aren't doing the investigations yourself. It's usually your direct reports that are actually looking at the logs etc. You may occasionally get involved for more complex issues or big outages but the direct reports are doing a lot of the heavy lifting.

- All of the above being said, I can imagine errors so weird/complex etc that the LLMs either can't figure it out, don't have the MCP or skill to resolve it or there is some giant technology issue that breaks a lot of stuff. Facebook engineers using angle grinders to get into the data center due to DNS issues comes to mind for the last one.

Which probably means we are all going to start to be more like airline pilots:

- highly trained in debugging AND managing fleets of LLMs

- managing autonomous systems

- around "just in case" the LLMs fall over

P.S. I've been very well paid over the years and being a SRE is how I feed my family. I do worry, like many, about how all of this is going to affect that. Sobering stuff.

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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used

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Post by pron » Sat, Feb 07, 2026, 11:03 PM UTC

mark242 wrote: post #215

rglover wrote: post #139

A significant number of developers and businesses are going to have an absolutely brutal rude awakening in the not too distant future. You can build things this way, and they may work for a time, but you don't know what you don't know (and experience teaches you that you only find most stuff by building/struggling; not sipping a soda while the AI blurts out potentially secure/stable code). The hubris around AI is goi…

I would argue that it's going to be the opposite. At re:Invent, one of the popular sessions was in creating a trio of SRE agents, one of which did nothing but read logs and report errors, one of which did analysis of the errors and triaged and proposed fixes, and one to do the work and submit PRs to your repo. Then, as part of the session, you would artificially introduce a bug into the system, then run into the bug…

> Unless you are only ever a single engineer, your career is filled with "I need to debug code I didn't write".

True, but there's usually at least one person who knows that particular part of the system that you need to touch, and if there isn't, you'll spend a lot of time fixing that bug and become that person.

The bet you're describing is that the AI will be the expert, and if it can be that, why couldn't it also be the expert at understanding the users' needs so that no one is needed anywhere in the loop?

What I don't understand about a vision where AI is able to replace humans at some (complicated) part of the entire industrial stack is why does it stop at a particular point? What makes us think that it can replace programmers and architects - jobs that require a rather sophisticated combination of inductive and deductive reasoning - but not the PMs, managers, and even the users?

Steve Yegge recently wrote about an exponential growth in AI capabilities. But every exponential growth has to plateau at some point, and the problem with exponential growth is that if your prediction about when that plateau happens is off by a little, the value at that point could be different from your prediction by a lot (in either direction). That means that it's very hard to predict where we'll "end up" (i.e. where the plateau will be). The prediction that AI will be able to automate nearly all of the technical aspects of programming yet little beyond them seems as unlikely to me as any arbitrary point. It's at least as likely that we'll end up well below or well above that point.