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Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by rightbyte »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #365
cschmatzler wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this decision is insane and the whole Optimus/xAI bullshit is tiring, especially with the shareholders actually voting against the xAI investment, but you should try today's FSD. It's genuinely good and shouldn't be discarded wholesale because the guy sucks.

I'm not sure it is a bad decision given: "Tesla’s far more popular models are the 3 and Y, which accounted for 97% of the company’s 1.59 million deliveries last year."

That just indicates that the other models were allready being wound down.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by beAbU »

hashtag-til wrote: post #437
rswail wrote: post #369

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BYD already have the Atto 1 (sub AUD30K here) as do other EV manufacturers (eg Nissan Leaf). Tesla could stop spending money on bullshit like the Cybertruck and spend it on vehicles that people actually need/want.

Don't forget Renault 5!

And the Renault 4, the Hyundai Inster, and the Dacia Spring, and the Citroën C3, Fiat 500e, Kia EV3, Leapmotor T03.

There are heaps of small/subcompact EVs on the European market now, all with very competitive prices. The newer ones seem to be getting cheaper and cheaper.

Honestly I reckon a Tesla M2 will have a hard time succeeding in this market.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by rightbyte »

javawizard wrote: post #417
FL33TW00D wrote: post #406

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I like the comparison, but with aviation on a fundamental level we made it simpler (removing actuation), not added more (senses we dont need)

Jet engines do not strike me as being inherently simpler than muscles, not by a long shot. They're still the best way we know of going about the business of building a flying machine, for various reasons.

Piston engines surely are more complex than jet engines though? Which replaced the "flapping engines".

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by jve »

Cornbilly wrote: post #3

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> Tesla never refreshes their models

I'v seen quite a few Tesla Ys that needed repairs and... they seem to improve the car year to year or even months to months. Car interface suddenly changes to RJ45, some metal parts changed to aluminium (if I'm not mistaken), various things that become easyer to fix and so on. Low Voltage battery getting Li-Ion. Front under body changes: https://service.tesla.com/docs/BodyRepair/Body_Repair_Proced...

And then the airbag controller gets newer and newer.

Not something to market about, but you see steady incremental improvements.

What I want to say, the serviceability is very good for the cars. You get open documentation, you can access toolbox for a price, but it's there for the simple DIYer. Need to change pyro fuse? No problem, pop up docs, order part, change it. The parts are cheap.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by peterisza »

bdangubic wrote: post #86
eco wrote: post #68

Elon's $1T tranches are mostly based on market cap, right? Switching from just a carmaker to a "physical AI" company could be all he needs to convince the stock market to ignore Tesla's declining profits and raise the market cap even higher.

he’s done it time and time again and I don’t see him failing this time either.

so you own the stock then. right?

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by michelsedgh »

mrcwinn wrote: post #24
NoPicklez wrote: post #5

Why is it seen initially so negatively? There's nothing inherently wrong with a company deciding to stop producing models that are extremely old, have newer comparable models that are more widely available globally and sell multiples more of. So why would you keep those older models? If anything its a good thing. But its Tesla so nothing they do will be spoken positively of.

You are, of course, exactly right but you will nevertheless be downvoted for the same reasons you allude to.

the voting rings at HN are hard at work :))

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by philjohn »

3D30497420 wrote: post #438
maelito wrote: post #422

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Also in Europe, an old state company called Renault is beating Tesla with the R5.

I just saw an R5 on the street in the bright green. Super cool looking car. There are a whole bunch of promising small EVs coming out in the EU. Hyundai Inster, VW ID.1, Kia EV2, etc.

Took one for a test drive - it was fun. The only downside is compared to some other compact/city EV's the legroom in the back is REALLY bad (and I'm not exactly tall).

The legroom in my son's VW e-Up! is markedly better, despite it being a smaller car.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by ulfw »

al_borland wrote: post #93
bhouston wrote: post #43

Tesla is a meme stock in a similar manner to GME. You cannot bet against them even if they have incredibly unsure future prospectives because there are too many believers who will buy any dips.

That might be a little extreme. Tesla is making electric cars and robots. These are very much things of the future. GameStop is buying and selling used games, which is becoming impossible as consoles keep pushing for digital games. GameStop requires a major shift in their business model to stay relevant, while Tesla just needs to hope the public doesn’t reject the idea of electrics cars out of stubbornness or politic…

They are making no robots.

What robots are they making?

Where can you buy one? What does it do?

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Post by adrian_b »

FL33TW00D wrote: post #406
kleton wrote: post #390

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It would be possible to build an ornithopter, evidenced by the existence of avians, but it turned out the easiest ways to make flying machines were otherwise.

I like the comparison, but with aviation on a fundamental level we made it simpler (removing actuation), not added more (senses we dont need)

What counts is the overall complexity, not the complexity of a single subsystem.

Using more senses allows simpler processing of the sensor data, especially when there is a requirement for high reliability, and at least until now this has demonstrated a simpler complete system.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by Marazan »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #150
mandevil wrote: post #100

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I don't think that Uber or Lyft are going to invest in self-driving taxis. The capital model is completely different: Uber and Lyft are by design capital light, they own nothing more than the software (1), and someone needs to buy all of these self-driving machines and then someone needs to maintain them, whereas their current model doesn't do that- they can't offer that to any tech partner. The reason that you don't…

Uber, and to a lesser extent Lyft, has been an extremely prolific investor in the autonomous vehicle space. They're absolutely paying attention to it. Similarly, Waymo isn't bottlenecked by mapping or rain. I've seen enough of them testing in Seattle and Tokyo, as examples.

Yeah, and then Uber sold off its self driving research team.
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