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Post by johnnyanmac »

mghackerlady wrote: post #371
ipaddr wrote: post #303

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Vets, climate change scientists, doctors, environmental lawyers and athletics. Bonus points for trustfunds and influencers. Women want to make as much as men but also want their partner to make more than them. Ever see a female doctor marrying a plumber or construction worker? No they marry Male doctors or lawyer of higher status.

Has it ever occurred to you that all those fields have one thing in common? it's empathy. The people in those positions tend to not be the kind to murder you when you say no. Not saying that's true for blue collar men, but the odds are significantly higher. Also doctors and lawyers naturally tend to be around doctors and lawyers, that's hardly the crazy observation you seem to think it is

Sure but that doesn't fit the notion of "being a software engineer is a turnoff".

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Post by hypeatei »

caminante wrote: post #443
hypeatei wrote: post #428

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> This is moving the goalpost because you know economists (the critics) forecasted major inflation sooner/now Yes, because no one expected him to chicken out as hard as he did. It also came out that people in his cabinet (specifically Howard Lutnick) were betting against tariffs while simultaneously advocating for them. The legal opinion is heavily leaning towards them being illegal after many lower court decisions.…

> Do you care to explain how tariffs wouldn't be inflationary if the actions matched the rhetoric? It's like you're asking people to explain something that happened as if there's no explanation beyond your hatred of Trump. Why do you choose to dismiss drivers like stockpiling inventory, increased USMCA compliance, broader economic offsets (AI/tech boom, energy production) that could explain how tariffs aren't necessa…

> Why do you choose to dismiss drivers like stockpiling inventory, increased USMCA compliance, broader economic offsets (AI/tech boom, energy production)

Okay, so you're admitting that they're inflationary but choose to rattle off a list of random stuff that somehow, magically, offsets the increased costs from tariffs. Please go into detail on one of those, including what you're talking about (e.g. what is "increased USCMA compliance"?)

AI datacenters have increased energy costs in the localities where they're based and raised memory prices by eating up all the supply.

> You ask this as if I didn't say the US imports more than it exports.

So.. you were agreeing with my point then? I don't understand why you'd call my thoughts "not coherent" then agree with it.

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Post by liveoneggs »

square_usual wrote: post #385
liveoneggs wrote: post #274

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You have 60 days to find a new job or get deported. It's a pretty strong lever.

How is that related to a transfer? If you have a job on an H1b, you can get another job and switch to it any time with a transfer.

re-read OOP, not your own jump to "transfer"

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Post by johnnyanmac »

mghackerlady wrote: post #372
johntarter wrote: post #269

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Bartenders, starving artists, musicians, and athletes?

They tend to have personality, which I and most women consider more important than looks or money in my experience

I don't think most professional athletes are lauded for their "personality".

The other 3, sure. Bartenders need to be good at talking to people to succeed, and artists need to be more eccentric (in a different way from nerds) for their own success.

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Post by thewebguyd »

echelon wrote: post #417
bluecheese452 wrote: post #410

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If my job is shipped to India today why would I care that twenty years later the boss is Indian instead of American?

> If my job is shipped to India today Immigration isn't "shipping the job to India". It's bringing the labor here and contributing to our economy. This might have a suppressive force on wages, but it lifts the overall economy and creates more opportunity and demand. Offshoring is permanent loss. It causes whatever jobs and industry are still here to atrophy and die. The overall economy weakens. Your outlook in retire…

> This might have a suppressive force on wages

And that's the general problem. People don't care about the overall economy when wages are going down and cost of living is going up. Even myself, I couldn't care less about the overall health of the economy. I care about being able to subsist mine and my family's life style, put food on the table, someday own a home, not live paycheck to paycheck because all the jobs are paying below a living wage, etc.

I'm extremely fortunate to make the salary that I do, but I know plenty of others not so fortunate, in other fields that don't pay nearly as well as tech does, and probably never will. The answer can't be "go into tech" nor should it be "let's suppress wages so labor isn't so expensive for our domestic companies." And obviously offshoring isn't great either.

We can still import talent without suppressing wages, by not abusing the program and actually only importing for roles that truly, beyond all reasonable doubt, could not be filled by a domestic worker.

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Post by dlahoda »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #436
echelon wrote: post #309

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Shouldn't we all want H1B rather than offshoring? That keeps the facilities here, the local employment options here, the growth here, the tax base here... We should want more smart people moving to this country. More business creation, more capital, more labor, more output. Immigration is total economic growth for America, non zero-sum. Offshoring is not only economic loss, but second order loss: we lose the capacity…

I want the loopholes on H1Bs to be closed. H1B is a great concept to get foreign talent that found domestically. But these days is a shell game that's turned into a way to put shackles on employees who can't job hop. It hurts both groups in the long run.

would job hop allowance help?

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Post by johnnyanmac »

shimman wrote: post #395
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> When you get bullied in American public schools for being a "nerd" and liking science and math, your country doesn't exactly produce a lot of state-of-the-art STEM professionals. Its worse than that. when I lived in america, I found that being a software engineer was a dealbreaker when it came to dating most women. Imagine my surprise going to other countries and finding that my chosen profession made me high value…

Tech industry has no problems working with state police forces to imprison woman that get abortions or just generally profit off of making teenage girls depressed. We should applaud those women for not willing to date people that inflict misery and death upon them. Maybe the kids are alright after all?

What industry has put actual resistance to these in these times? Plenty of Hollywood has wool over their eyes (though a few are starting to speak out), Sports bent the knee for a full year (especially FIFA), law firms capitulated, hospitals aren't gonna lose their massive profit margins over the health care stuff.

No industry is coming out of this with a clean bill of health. You as an individual can only choose to not work with the most evil ones.

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Post by John23832 »

rich_sasha wrote: post #68
paxys wrote: post #4

Every large company is updating its standard layoffs announcement press release from "economic headwinds" to "AI".

Excuse is only half the story. I don't fully understand why they are doing it though. Companies hire people to make money, not as an act of social conformance. Global economy doesn't look that terrible. Nor is the AI story that believable. Is it just the CEO Zeitgeist? All the guys at Aspen talking about what fraction they cut, just as 5 years ago they bragged how bloated their org chart is? TBH the "ZIRP overhiring"…

> TBH the "ZIRP overhiring" seems like the most likely real reason. I could never understand how all these companies could hire so many people for so much money, only to have them work on later-to-be-cannes open source projects.

The same way they hire so many people for so much money to work on AI projects and build datacenter which haven't produced actual revenue for any customers (corporate or otherwise). I'd rather light money on fire to employ people tbh.

I say this as someone who has the 200 dollar Claude sub.

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Post by mc32 »

milch wrote: post #442
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Children are future taxpayers the majority with parents who were not a tax burden --net positive tax contribution. People without Children benefit from the taxes paid by the children of people who rear children -i.e. people without children aren't "cashing out" their tax contributed retirement --that contribution went to other retirees.

Immigrants pay social security taxes, unemployment taxes, ... that they also will never be able to benefit from. Those are purely for the benefit of US citizens

There is a good case for vetted legal immigration (there is need and they fill that unmet need), no question; however, that should not be at the expense of the local population, regardless of country. In other words, the locals should not suffer a depressed job market because of immigration. The whole reason for a state to exist is to first and foremost look after the wellbeing of its citizens that elect the bodies of government.

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Post by tonymet »

> Leave your affordable neighborhood with good schools to keep your job

> RTO to Seattle / Bay Area to a dingy condo , with diligence , at enormous personal expense

> Laid off a 18 mo later. CEO says "i'm taking responsibility" , no responsibility taken.

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