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Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by inadequatespace »

mediaman wrote: post #46

I don't get the widespread hatred of Gas Town. If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment. It pushes and crosses boundaries, it is a mixture of technology and art, it is provocative. It takes stochastic neural nets and mashes them together in bizarre ways to see if anything coherent comes out the other end. And the reaction is a bunch of Very Serious Engineers who cross their arms and h…

> Maybe it's because we also have suits telling us we have to use neural nets everywhere for everything Or Else, and there's no sense of fun in that.

Yes, and using it a justification to offshore/ layoff

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by cannonpr »

PKop wrote: post #450
cannonpr wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Degenerate gamblers” is the kind of stigma that stops people and their families getting help for addiction. Even if you believe it’s a moral failing, the families deserve better.

No harsh belittling is what makes them quit, not accommodating their nonsense and excusing it. There should be a stigma with destructive behavior. The flaw is this decades-long trend of talking about stigmas and refusing to condemn bad behaviors.

I’m afraid we tried that for quite a few centuries, with very little effect. Infact most major world religions had phases with heavy punishment, condemnation, belittling, and you are going to hell stuff over gambling. Yet here we are.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by portd062 »

hyperpape wrote: post #97
mediaman wrote: post #46

I don't get the widespread hatred of Gas Town. If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment. It pushes and crosses boundaries, it is a mixture of technology and art, it is provocative. It takes stochastic neural nets and mashes them together in bizarre ways to see if anything coherent comes out the other end. And the reaction is a bunch of Very Serious Engineers who cross their arms and h…

> If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment: So, Steve has the big scary "YOU WILL DIE" statements in there, but he also has this: > I went ahead and built what’s next. First I predicted it, back in March, in Revenge of the Junior Developer. I predicted someone would lash the Claude Code camels together into chariots, and that is exactly what I’ve done with Gas Town. I’ve tamed them to…

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by HDThoreaun »

PKop wrote: post #449
mediaman wrote: post #46

I don't get the widespread hatred of Gas Town. If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment. It pushes and crosses boundaries, it is a mixture of technology and art, it is provocative. It takes stochastic neural nets and mashes them together in bizarre ways to see if anything coherent comes out the other end. And the reaction is a bunch of Very Serious Engineers who cross their arms and h…

> it's clear that this is a big fun experiment. No it's not clear, because at every turn we're told we're supposed to take it seriously, that there's something there there and that's it's a very real hint at some very real future not whimsical nonsense made for a laugh. You can see this in Steve's writing, calling out the non-believers. Then when you call the bluff, well "it's just a prank bro chill out." > It pushes…

Why can't you take experiments seriously? It's a prediction of what the future could look like, not a production ready tool. If youre problem with it is "they took our jobs" sure that makes sense, but if youre problem is that it is a crappy tool then youre not looking at it correctly.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by HDThoreaun »

ozozozd wrote: post #329
kaydub wrote: post #284

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Why ignore where I mention engineering impact??? Come on, be real here

What git stats do you have that show “impact”? The OP was right to assume it was lines of code. Another assumption could be number of commits, which also doesn’t measure impact.

Track engineering impact and git stats were two separate suggestions in that comment. Every org tracks impact through performance reviews.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by habinero »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #432
habinero wrote: post #345

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> Cooks are idiots (most are either illegal immigrants with no formal education, or substance-abusing degenerates who failed at everything else) who repeat what they're told Jesus Christ, dude. Just because someone works with their hands doesn't mean they're stupid. Good lord. Working in a professional kitchen is an incredibly demanding and difficult job. Don't be elitist to people who work way harder than you. Espec…

>Jesus Christ, dude. Just because someone works with their hands doesn't mean they're stupid. Good lord. Working in a professional kitchen is an incredibly demanding and difficult job. Don't be elitist to people who work way harder than you. You're making a personal comment. It's orthoganol to the point. You said cooks learn the chemistry, he says they don't and they are too stupid too. As bad as that statement is, i…

> Culinary arts as an occupation has statistically lower IQ than many other occupations.

Citation very much needed lol. Again, don't be elitist about work you don't do and don't understand. Honestly, given the choice between between a random pool of kitchen staff and a bunch of people with BAYC twitter profiles, I'm taking the people who can pull off a busy Sunday brunch and I'm not thinking twice about it.

> Are you just so stubbornly sure that your "funny story" invalidates everything

It wasn't actually intended to be ha-ha funny, my guy, that's just a stock phrase.

And if you're asking, do I trust my own judgement to critically evaluate claims in my own industry? Yes. Yes, I do.

If you rely on other people telling you what's good and never think for yourself, you're always just going to be a follower. It's like you've never been on a single enterprise software sales call, jeez.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by JasonADrury »

meowface wrote: post #447
JasonADrury wrote: post #386

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> There are people who genuinely think crypto is an investment. Sure! Are those people buying bags.fm tokens? Probably not. This isn't even marketed as an investment https://bags.fm but a crowdfunding tool for developers with a casino attached. You don't have to be smart to read the big text on the website.

You don't have to be smart to understand they're very, very, very obviously saying it's an investment and using extremely superficial cover. All things like these are exclusively pennystock scams. You're being bamboozled. Google the name of it. Search it on Twitter and 4chan. Watch any Coffeezilla video.

I'm googling "bags.fm", everything I can find is about money going to creators. Literally nothing suggesting that you're going to get rich by buying these tokens.

Searching for "bags.fm" on X with keywords like "invest" or "rich" or "moon" also does not seem to return any conversations referring to anyone but the creators getting rich.

I can't find any bags.fm references on 4chan, and searching for gas town instead doesn't seem to bring up anything cryptocurrency related in the archive.

> You're being bamboozled

I don't think so. I suspect the world is so full of crypto scams that when someone does something explicitly non-scammy ("Hey, here's a crypto thing you can use to give me free money!") people still incorrectly view it as scammy because of crypto.

How many memecoin "investors" do you think view these as serious investments? I suspect essentially none of them.

How many memecoin "investors" are degenerate gambling addicts who need treatment? Probably most of them.

Taking money from vulnerable gambling addicts is certainly not ideal, but it's far from scammy.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by threethirtytwo »

habinero wrote: post #456
threethirtytwo wrote: post #432

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Jesus Christ, dude. Just because someone works with their hands doesn't mean they're stupid. Good lord. Working in a professional kitchen is an incredibly demanding and difficult job. Don't be elitist to people who work way harder than you. You're making a personal comment. It's orthoganol to the point. You said cooks learn the chemistry, he says they don't and they are too stupid too. As bad as that statement is, i…

> Culinary arts as an occupation has statistically lower IQ than many other occupations. Citation very much needed lol. Again, don't be elitist about work you don't do and don't understand. Honestly, given the choice between between a random pool of kitchen staff and a bunch of people with BAYC twitter profiles, I'm taking the people who can pull off a busy Sunday brunch and I'm not thinking twice about it. > Are you…

>Again, don't be elitist about work you don't do and don't understand

There’s a difference between being elite at and being truthful. Don’t weaponize the word elitism and use it to attack truth.

https://brght.org/iq/jobtitle/cook/

Below average iq for cooks. So you’re wrong. Almost everything you talk about is wildly wrong and off base.

> It wasn't actually intended to be ha-ha funny, my guy, that's just a stock phrase.

lol. Did it ever occur to you i was just using the same stock phrase to reference your “funny story”? Takes a certain iq to figure that out.

> And if you're asking, do I trust my own judgement to critically evaluate claims in my own industry? Yes. Yes, I do.

Good. A smart person though wouldn’t completely trust himself because he knows no one is infallible. So he evaluates his own judgements against other judgements. Especially judgements of others smarter than them. Are you a smart person? Maybe ask yourself that question.

> If you rely on other people telling you what's good and never think for yourself, you're always just going to be a follower. It's like you've never been on a single enterprise software sales call, jeez.

lol, never asked you that and it’s the wrong comparison my guy, my dude.

Read what I wrote. It’s a call to evaluate your own statement against others who say the opposite. It’s not a call to rely on what others say. Nor is it a call to just trust everything in your own brain. I asked you to evaluate your judgements and the judgements of others smarter than you as a whole.

You’re like the guy who thinks everyone is a salesman so you mistrust the entire world and you think everything you know and think is 100 percent true. I feel you’re scared of being wrong. Jeeze. Theres nothing to be scared of for being wrong, my dude.

A smart person would think: “hey half the population plus this guy smarter than me (Ryan dhal, who is one of many smart people that have nothing to sell) is saying AI writes all his code now. Maybe consider his perspective alongside mine?”

Understand, my dude?

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by wahnfrieden »

JasonADrury wrote: post #457
meowface wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to be smart to understand they're very, very, very obviously saying it's an investment and using extremely superficial cover. All things like these are exclusively pennystock scams. You're being bamboozled. Google the name of it. Search it on Twitter and 4chan. Watch any Coffeezilla video.

I'm googling "bags.fm", everything I can find is about money going to creators. Literally nothing suggesting that you're going to get rich by buying these tokens. Searching for "bags.fm" on X with keywords like "invest" or "rich" or "moon" also does not seem to return any conversations referring to anyone but the creators getting rich. I can't find any bags.fm references on 4chan, and searching for gas town instead d…

Yegge himself wrote a blog post to his non crypto audience calling it an investment that he hopes makes its investors filthy rich. He pumped it, then he dumped it, and announced he’s walking away from it at that point after taking his profits and crashing its value.

I don’t know why you’re talking about existing hardcore BAGS addicts when the topic is Yegge promoting a crypto grift to his own general audience as an investment and then running the typical pump and dump scam on them.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by meowface »

JasonADrury wrote: post #457
meowface wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to be smart to understand they're very, very, very obviously saying it's an investment and using extremely superficial cover. All things like these are exclusively pennystock scams. You're being bamboozled. Google the name of it. Search it on Twitter and 4chan. Watch any Coffeezilla video.

I'm googling "bags.fm", everything I can find is about money going to creators. Literally nothing suggesting that you're going to get rich by buying these tokens. Searching for "bags.fm" on X with keywords like "invest" or "rich" or "moon" also does not seem to return any conversations referring to anyone but the creators getting rich. I can't find any bags.fm references on 4chan, and searching for gas town instead d…

It's a scam or a pennystock grift or whatever term you want to use.

https://x.com/Fizzy__01/status/1956006313848397861

100% of these things are somewhere on the scam and fraud spectrum. An unscrupulous person creates a token or a platform for creating tokens with the goal of raising the worthless token's price so they can parasitically make millions from something that holds zero value.

The "fund creators" thing is a common ploy. If they actually wanted to do that, they'd make it so you can only donate with dollars or stablecoins.

Look at the dozens of replies to all of Yegge's posts, now: https://x.com/Steve_Yegge/status/2014530592134910215

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