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Re: European Alternatives

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

woodpanel wrote: post #422
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Old Dutch banks and their Belgian suckers, mostly. You can see a list on their website. I am not deep into this, but I heard multiple times that the choice of the pan-european payment system was largely political and technnically suboptimal. Old Europe pushed for the aging iDEAL against a much more advanced Blink, so Eastern European banks led by Poland left the consortium. In the end, iDEAL rebranded as Wero was dea…

Sounds more like you have some axe to grind https://epicompany.eu/members

Others joined quite recently, indeed.

Wikipedia gives an overview by year.

As for the axe, I have no personal interest.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by timeon »

FireInsight wrote: post #424
timeon wrote: post #392

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https://hosting-checker.net/websites/techposts.eu or: whois "$(ping -c 1 techposts.eu | awk -F'[()]' '/PING/{print $2}')"

Fly.io probably serves in on the edge, and so it always appears to be near the request origin.

I was probably not clear in my original comment. My point, in context of this thread, was that it is hosted in US-based company. So things like Cloud Act still apply.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by [deleted] »

tintor wrote: post #353
skrebbel wrote: post #83

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You simply don’t need such inflated salaries if schools are free, roads are not broken, trains exist, healthcare is affordable, grocery stores are in biking distance, parks are good and free and plenty, labor laws are in your favour, utilities markets mostly aren’t dysfunctional and a 2-bedroom apartment doesn't cost $10000/m. Americans compare their salaries to European ones but never stop to imagine the insane high…

"trains exist" Like Spain's commuter trains?

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Re: European Alternatives

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Post by hermanzegerman »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #394
hermanzegerman wrote: post #391

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* Well yes, we did that for you guys for 80 years after WW2, a very peaceful and prosperous period for Europe by historical standards. We got nothing but hate and laughter for it We got nothing but hate and laughter for it* You're either very stupid believing that the American Engagement in Europe was just charity or just a very good troll. I guess Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran (pre-Mullahs) and other countries th…

"You're either very stupid believing that the American Engagement in Europe was just charity or just a very good troll." Europeans always imply that NATO is some sort of vast American conspiracy. But they are hardly ever able to give compelling examples of American benefit. The US benefit from NATO always remains a sort of esoteric wisdom which is mysteriously beyond the grasp of the average American. I suppose if we…

It seems that you have great difficulties with reading comprehension. I was mentioning Iran (Pre-Mullahs) where the UK and US overthrew a democratically elected president because of Oil. Leading to the current theocratic and oppressive government.

Also your reasons to invade Iraq were made up Lies about Weapons of Mass destruction, and the US propped up the Taliban against the Soviets in the first place.

Both were quite liberal states compared to today, after they were blessed with US intervention

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by seec »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #420
woodpanel wrote: post #333

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what ever "money extraction business" means - wero is a real thing people (me included) are already using and developed jointly by many european banks.

Old Dutch banks and their Belgian suckers, mostly. You can see a list on their website. I am not deep into this, but I heard multiple times that the choice of the pan-european payment system was largely political and technnically suboptimal. Old Europe pushed for the aging iDEAL against a much more advanced Blink, so Eastern European banks led by Poland left the consortium. In the end, iDEAL rebranded as Wero was dea…

I have no idea what you are talking about. I have been using Wero for a while in France and it works just fine and is completely free. It's basically instant bank transfer without any fee or limitation on how many you can do.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by s_dev »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #55

Ugh, back to nationalism. I think there is some sort of Darwinistic reason for this. Maybe its inevitable. Not to say that the US didn't help spur this, but its just sad to see. When I was younger, I was such an idealist. Anarchy, open borders, free market open trade, pacifism. Even as Trump started getting aggressive, I kept trying to tell myself: "Well, these other countries surly know that most of the population d…

>But I saw the comments of how quickly it seemed the general population of other nations flipped like a dime.

It's been ten years of Trumpism. This wasn't a flip of a dime. The opinion flipped after we were threatened with annexation. These aren't jokes.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by pepinator »

palata wrote: post #435
pepinator wrote: post #419

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I agree that a lot of people speak two languages. But man, I've lived in several countries in Europe for many years, and even the average university student doesn't really speak English (and I work at the university so I interact with many of them). Even in countries like Belgium where there're three official languages! However, I'd agree with that the average educated person can somewhat communicate ideas in a secon…

> I've lived in several countries in Europe for many years, and even the average university student doesn't really speak English Have you tried any Scandinavian country for instance?

no, but we're talking about Europe on general. and the initial claim is surely false in countries like Spain, France, Poland and Belgium

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by looshch »

so much reasonable scepticism here is being downvoted, i don’t get why

to add my 2 cents: why does anyone think the EU countries don’t or won’t pose the same risks as the US? They might just be doing it silently and illegally. Where is the guarantee that the mere fact a service is EU-based provides benefits over using US-based ones?

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by Teever »

Fischgericht wrote: post #223
gtirloni wrote: post #49

This is nice but if Europe doesn't fix their tech salaries situation (half US' in most cases, if not lower), I don't think it's sustainable.

Before we closed our office in Mountain View years ago, every time we went over there: - I could not get out of my San Francisco Hotel to get to a deli across the road without having to step over at least 5 homeless people. - I could not fail to notice that even those people who did have jobs and not lost their homes to tech bros had a surprisingly low number of healthy teeth for a modern western first-world society…

Can you talk more about the Estonian tech scene? I am a Canadian-Estonian and I have been considering moving to Europe in the next year or so.

Re: European Alternatives

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Post by honzabe »

gtirloni wrote: post #100
tene80i wrote: post #76

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But why? What's unsustainable about an email service, for example, run by competent European engineers at European salaries?

The huge influx of competent European engineers to the US is a real thing.

I think you underestimate how dramatically the perception of the US in Europe changed for the worse. It was already in nose dive during recent months, but the recent days (Greenland crisis) will put a nail in the coffin. I don’t have a crystal ball, but I expect that influx to dry up very soon.
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