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Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Don't worry, you're either arguing with useful idiots or pathetic SOBs working in a propaganda unit in russia.

The problem is that if no one responds to such idiots, even more idiots might be swayed into their direction.

They are either being paid, or they are so lost in propaganda that they're willing to do it >for free. They have more time that they are willing to waste on propaganda than you, unless you decide to dedicate every waking moment to a rebuttable you are behind the eight ball. Even then, they're probably in dozens of communities and threads at the same time, repeating the same garbage.

The only way this sort of rhetoric can be fought is at the level of moderation. This site has user-driven moderation, which in theory means that you can fight the tide this way, but in practice the authoritarians and fascists have access to these tools as well, and bad faith use is rarely punished, so these tools are less of a panacea and more of a race to who can down-vote who first.

The only other alternative is for the paid moderation of this site to put their foot down and say "We are not okay with fascists and authoritarian apologists on our site" and ban them. The admins of Hacker News are another on a very long list of social media site hosts who have decided to wash their hands of the responsibility. They don't care.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. If you decide you still want to engage, I recommend viewing the interaction through the lens of an attention economy; spend less time on a rebuttle than they did on their post, and only in places where you think it will actually be seen.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Americans, your Mad King is putting us all in grave danger. Would you please do something about it?

We are trying. Please realize that the second largest conflict (based on spending) in the world right now, behind the Russian invasion of Ukraine, is DJT’s ICE attacks on the US. That is how much he is spending to attack his own country. More than Israel spends to occupy Palestinians. Sadly, if you look at polling, none of this is remotely unpopular with US Republican voters. Our country’s union is hanging on by tatt…

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"We'll see how long the US economy is going to last when it can't even fund its own government." This is fantasy thinking, projection of a subjective wish. The dollar is the global reserve currency and is under no serious threat to be displaced (and no, the dollar dropping back to where it was a couple of years ago vs the Euro, is not a meaningful event). The US economy is by far the world's largest and now dwarfs th…

> The US economy is by far the world's largest and now dwarfs the Eurozone.

Nominal, Eurozone, yes.

But, being the reserve currency boosts the exchange rate all by itself. I'd argue that this acts as hysteresis, that it adds strength that keeps it a reserve currency longer than it would if there was no memory in the system. Therefore, if anything does induce a shock, the PPP rate is more relevant when considering who might displace it; this other currency (or currencies) would then also get the same hysteresis benefit.

The EU, PPP, is about the same as the US (30 T), and I'd argue that "the EU" is important measure for near-future stuff rather than the current Eurozone, because the EU has the no-specific-time-constraint preference to become all Eurozone… except for the bits that opted out. But also some more neighbours who opted in without being in the EU. It's weird.

China, PPP, it is bigger than the US, 40 T by PPP. Not quite as big as the gap between the US and India, but close enough I had to get the calculator out I can't eyeball the ratio on a linear graph: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/jfgbd60rb...

> To answer your question: the US economy is going to last a very long time yet. So far it has lasted hundreds of years. Please provide a comparison to any other economy that has lasted so long and done so well. You'll be able to name two or three examples maximum.

You didn't do well for all of those hundreds of years, if you squint hard enough to ignore the great depression you get to about 150 years, which basically means about the same as every other industrial economy that didn't have a war in the middle split it apart. If you don't do that (because the great depression really sucked), the half of Europe whose national boundaries explosively reorganised, and also the Soviet Union, wave hello.

The USSR is an important reference, because basically nobody saw the collapse coming until a year or two before it happened. It was unthinkable.

> In the moment people tend to get hyper emotional, hyperbolic. They think something fundamental is changing. That's almost always nothing more than personal subjective projection of what they want to have happen, rather than an objective assessment of reality.

All true.

> Back in reality the US has survived and thrived through drastically worse than anything going on in the present. The Vietnam era was far worse both socially/culturally and economically. WW2 was drastically worse. The Civil War was drastically worse. The Great Depression was drastically worse. But oh yeah sure, the US superpower is about to end any day now.

How many of those occasions did the US refuse to rule out military force with its primary set of allies in order to seize land supposedly to keep it safe from a nation that's now 33% richer than it is? The Civil War was not a time when y'all were a big player on the world stage, it was when Europe was busy carving everything up into colonies.

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Would that it were so easy to blame the flyover states. Almost half the people who cast votes voted for this - and at the same time voted for the status quo legislators who opt not to keep him in check.

He won the popular vote.

...with a plurality, not a majority.

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We are trying. Please realize that the second largest conflict (based on spending) in the world right now, behind the Russian invasion of Ukraine, is DJT’s ICE attacks on the US. That is how much he is spending to attack his own country. More than Israel spends to occupy Palestinians. Sadly, if you look at polling, none of this is remotely unpopular with US Republican voters. Our country’s union is hanging on by tatt…

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As was the Gestapo :-)

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We are trying. Please realize that the second largest conflict (based on spending) in the world right now, behind the Russian invasion of Ukraine, is DJT’s ICE attacks on the US. That is how much he is spending to attack his own country. More than Israel spends to occupy Palestinians. Sadly, if you look at polling, none of this is remotely unpopular with US Republican voters. Our country’s union is hanging on by tatt…

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They’re violating the U.S. constitution and committing crimes daily.

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Did you vote for Trump? Do you approve of the immigration enforcement? Do you approve of the tariff antics? Do you approve of Trump torching American reputation with her allies? Was Jan 6 an attempt to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power? Would you vote for Trump again?

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes, but they were morons

No, not without an amendment allowing a third term, but even if there were an amendment probably still a No because he is too old and his very blunt and impolitic manner is not sustainable long-term in national leadership.

According to the WSJ, thr President has lost about 8% of his voters, so he should make some adjustments.

WSJ POLL: 92% of people who voted for Trump in 2024 are giving him a positive job rating today, including 70% who “strongly approve”

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>>The US needs control of arctic sea lanes I literally couldn't care less about what US "needs". Russia "needs" Ukraine and similarly no one should be respecting them for it. You Americans think you own the world - you don't. >>This is pure national security and economic security pragmatism. Yes and I'm sure Putin sells his war in the same way to his citizens. >>and I don’t want my country to collapse economically or…

Of course it was in our interests to do so. No empire acts otherwise. We do not own the world, but we do own the worlds reserve currency, largest economy, are the guarantors of safe naval passage for most of the world, are the defenders of North America, Europe, and to a lesser extent Japan and South Korea. We send re-usable rockets to space. We are amazing. Does any of this give us a direct claim to Greenland? No, b…

>>No, but what claim did Denmark have over the native people when they invaded?

If you really are American then I hope the irony of this question is not lost on you.

I guess talking to you is kinda like talking to a citizen of Germany circa 1939 who is saying that of course Poland should be taken, they have the best location in Europe with all trade between east and west going throught it, lots of natural resources, and after all why do the Slavs have claims to it, Prussians lived there too. I don't want to see my country collapse militarily and economically - and we are amazing too. Not the mention large portion of Poland was under German control during the 100 year long partition of Poland, surely they need to pay back for all the great stuff that we built there for them.

It just makes sense, doesn't it. America is powerful, of course it should take Greenland if it wants to - why shouldn't Denmark give it away, they owe you, right?

I suppose the only question is - are you ready to pick up a rifle and come and take it? Or just to send other young men do to it for you? Or is your plan just to destroy your alleged allies economically until they do what you want them to do?

I think my main regret at the moment is looking up to America as an adolescent, your cultural exports have really worked in that sense. You might have the best rockets around, but at the end of the day you're just a country of bullies.

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In any case, that's the beauty of life: we live the consequences. Both sweet and bitter, depending on choices of the past.

Most of what happens to us is by chance, not by choice. And when it's by choice, its often not our own choice.

This is what they want you to believe. You are useful and convenient when you are malleable (to someone's else agenda aka "their choice"). Ideally, you should not practice any discernment at all, raise no questions, silence any suspicions. As if it's all by sheer coincidence and predefined by external forces ("chance").

Straight out of "Manipulators' Handbook 101".

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Europe survived 2 devastating home wars in the last 100 years, a lot of it was under Soviet occupation, and has smaller natural deposits. The US economy is being propped-up by cheap credit and blitzscaling of tech, and the money is running out. Those companies have to start making money, and the european market is critical to that. The rest of the US market is stagnant at best. The US consumer market is being held up…

"survived" - millions and millions were killed. The geographical land mass of Europe will of course survive anything bar a collision with another planet, if this is what you're referring to.

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