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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by morshu9001 »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #138
MostlyStable wrote: post #43

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I can do a ten hour road trip with a family of four plus a dog in a used (2022) EV that I got for ~30k last year. I think the idea that price and range are problems is exactly the misconception that op was taking about. They are somewhat more expensive, although when I originally did the calculus, fuel savings made up the difference in monthly payments for a new vehicle, but that's going to vary a lot. The is a very…

I actually enjoy doing road trips in my tesla more so than in ICEs, because of the forced breaks. With ICEs, stops would be either for food or for bathroom breaks. A lot of times just eating in the car while driving. But for a 10 hour drive I am forced to take 4 20 minute stops - so once every 2 hours. This ends up making me feel a lot better at the end of the trip and also gives you "guilt free" time to enjoy a rand…

tbh that sounds like cope, this isn't a constraint people want to add

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by tyre »

doublesocket wrote: post #427
m463 wrote: post #405

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I was looking for the same thing and a friend gave me some advice. Get an SUV with a trailer hitch. worked out great. Maybe better than a pickup. For example - taking mountain bikes somewhere to ride - you can put them in the back, go ride, and leave them there while you go eat without someone stealing them. You can even load them the night before. dirty stuff can use a trailer (I've never needed one) and suv carries…

Never understood why the yanks don't like vans? Pickups are much less popular here in the UK, many more people use vans. A crew cab van with removable seats is infinitely more flexible than a pickup, other than long stuff which you chuck on a roof rack.

Vans don't project manliness. Most people don't use pickup trucks for pickup truck things. They'd be fine with a station wagon, but they have self-confidence issues.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by burnte »

troad wrote: post #442
burnte wrote: post #386

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If the Lightning OUTSOLD Tesla, is that really losing to them? Feels to me like an indictment of the scale that Tesla actually operates: an order of magnitude less than the big car makers. If Ford declares a truck that sold better than CT as a failure, it's because for their size it didn't sell enough. If that lesser number IS enough for Tesla, they're simply not a player in the same league as Ford.

> If the Lightning OUTSODE Tesla This reflects a very common pronunciation of syllable-final Ls in English, called a vocalised L, but I've never seen it reflected in spelling in such a way. Very cool! I'm extremely curious - did you go for that spelling as an intentional stylistic variation, or was it a typo reflecting your usual pronunciation?

Typo.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #366

I mean, Cybertruck sold specially poorly, it's not a hard bar to surpass.

Ford sold more than 100K Lightnings. By many metrics that don't involve "compared to the best selling truck in America" that would be considered a successful run for a model.

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Post by thijson »

shibapuppie wrote: post #196
drewda wrote: post #153

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Here's a different aspect of utility: The F150 Lightning includes 120V and optionally 240V outlets, so it replaces the need to carry a separate gas-powered generator. That's probably more relevant to fleet vehicles for construction and maintenance firms than to individuals towing boats. But just to offer an example of how the F150 Lightning is a great fit for certain uses.

You can also get a standard hybrid F150 with the "Pro Power(?)" package, and the hybrid drive-train turns into a 7.2kW generator.

I just read about the hybrid F150. I didn't know about it until recently I guess because of all the press the Lightning received. The hybrid works the best for me. My state also charges a lot less yearly registration for a hybrid compared to an EV.

7.2kW could run most of my house for days, and it wouldn't be very loud I guess.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by morshu9001 »

billti wrote: post #13

I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics hurt it quite a bit. It is such a distinctive vehicle with a strong association with Elon, that there was an immediate brand association. It may have had poor sales anyway, but it certainly didn't help that many folks on the left, who are typically the most 'pro EV', had a large 'anti-Elon' shift…

I wager people care way more that it simply costs a lot, and they don't like it or need it

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by pas »

rootusrootus wrote: post #407

Judging from how many people seem surprised by my open frunk at the grocery store, saying things like "I had no idea Ford made an electric truck!" I think they could have done more to market it. I sometimes wonder if they really wanted to sell a lot of them.

the dealerships did not want them, this already made it unlikely to succeed (towing range mania was the other thing)

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by danans »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #113
danans wrote: post #74

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> It's a shame the Lightning got discontinued. > As an EV owner, it sucks that the main thing holding the technology back is misconceptions and misunderstanding, rather than actual practical matters. The F150 Lighting (and the Cybertruck) are failing precisely because it was impractical. It was expensive, has limited range when doing actual "pickup truck" work, like hauling tons of construction materials. It was buil…

The lighting is fine for towing, especially the type that people usually do. You can tow up to 10,000lbs and the truck has ridiculous power to pull it. What you can't do it tow it long distances (>90mi, worst case) without 40 minute stops every 1.5 hours. That sucks. But the truth is very few truck owners are towing huge loads long distances . However, if you are pulling your lawn care trailer around town, you will n…

> However, if you are pulling your lawn care trailer around town, you will not have a problem,

I live in a high CoL area, but I still can't imagine a lawn care business affording an $80k truck. Most of them seem to drive used Tacomas and Mavericks.

> The majority of people who tow stuff, can still tow stuff while reaping cheaper operating costs.

People who are paying $80 to $90k for a luxury pickup truck aren't particularly worried about operating costs.

With perhaps the exception of a few climate-change believers who happen to also run construction companies or farms/ranches (they do exist!), what F150/Cybertruck owners are worried about is signaling to others that they paid $80 to $90k for a luxury pickup truck.

To this day, I've seen 1 Lightning loaded with construction gear.

I've never seen a Cybertruck doing heavy work - they are usually rolling squeaky clean around ritzy parts of town, or getting stuck in snowdrifts in the mountains.

The EVs I see doing work: Ford Electric transit vans.

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Post by rootusrootus »

Facemelters wrote: post #68

Have you met truck guys? Truck guys call you gay for driving an EV. Yes yes, not all truck guys.

Do you know how pickups became the most popular vehicle in America? By not being appealing to just one type of guy. There is no "truck guy", there is "everyone." (well, yes, there are some anti-truck people, but they're niche and mostly online).

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Post by [deleted] »

burnte wrote: post #453
troad wrote: post #442

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> If the Lightning OUTSODE Tesla This reflects a very common pronunciation of syllable-final Ls in English, called a vocalised L, but I've never seen it reflected in spelling in such a way. Very cool! I'm extremely curious - did you go for that spelling as an intentional stylistic variation, or was it a typo reflecting your usual pronunciation?

Typo.

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