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Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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So, you have no actual thoughts on this topic other than "UBI is bad" is what I hear.

My thoughts are that UBI is not compatible with human nature. It cannot work at societal scale. I'm not sure how I can state it more simply.

You were asked for alternatives, and said essentially "UBI bad, keep doing what we've been doing". Sorry, that seems lazy and uninteresting to me.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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I listened to his podcast this morning where he mentions 75% of their four person engineering team was laid off (only the founders and one engineer remain) https://adams-morning-walk.transistor.fm/episodes/we-had-six...

75% is a lot more dramatic than 3 people geez

Yea this feels kind of unecessary from him and makes him look a bit full of himself.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Exactly the business model wasn't strong enough, just upselling templates for hundreds of dollars which AI can churn in few tokens was easy to disrupt.

The business model is strong. AI is stealing traffic/money from creators. That's not a problem with the business model, it's a problem with AI. AI hyperscalers shamelessly monetize other people's work without compensation. Truly an awful dystopia.

The output of AIs that is "churned out" wouldn't exist without templates like this being used as an input to the training. But that isn't "Copyright Infringement", according to the AI companies.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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that's why I complained about it in the PR, mmm, I thought it was grossly unprofessional of him (besides the things he said in the discussion. e.g. Tech changes all the time, that isn't an excuse to be a dick. e.g. ok dude, don't expect any future free work from me in the future on any of your projects going forward. Rude AF.) also, I just realised, that PR is an excuse to get the library he made ( https://github.com…

Stray thought: adding a library the PR submitter controls would be a good starting point for an XZ/SSH-style supply chain attack: badger & threaten the maintainers to add the dependency, and then sneak something into a future library update.

This seems like a huge red flag, there is no need to add any more dependencies to an already fully featured repo

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Wow, this is a grim reality check: AI hyperscalers taking in billions of revenue, while at the same time putting honest business like Tailwind out of work, without any form of compensation. What happened to "you wouldn't steal a car" etc.? It's only illegal if you're not a trillion dollar company? I have trouble expressing how terrible unjust it feels that AI companies are stealing money from the common people. I hav…

I’m not sure this is such a reality check. I remember figuring this out maybe a month or so after October 2023, when ChatGippity first dropped. Like, if it’s a “do anything platform” won’t the first anything be to cannibalize low hanging anything’s, followed by progressively higher hanging anything’s until there’s no work left?

Like play out AI, it sucks for everybody except the ones holding the steering wheel, unless we hold them accountable for the changing landscape of stake-in-civilization distribution. Spoiler: haha, we sure fucking aren’t in the US.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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75% is a lot more dramatic than 3 people geez

He said he wanted to state it like that because he thought just saying "3 people" undersold the impact.

the impact of which seems a lot like its changing from company into side-project

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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Here is a link to their commercial offerings. https://tailwindcss.com/plus?ref=top

i just gave my favorite LLM a screenshot of one of those components and it recreated it perfectly. i paid $0. i dont see how any business model can compete with free. maybe they can focus on branding like Pepsi or Coke and see if developers will make their decisions based on that.

how do you know it recreated perfectly. Is it equally customizable? Is it equally accessible? And your LLM models cost money too. If you use the API keys, you can quickly see the cost.

Re: Creators of Tailwind laid off 75% of their engineering team

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How would you possibly enforce this? I can disconnect my laptop from the internet and the local LLM will still autocomplete TW classes. Does JetBrains therefore owe TW every time it does this? What if it was actually completing UnoCSS class names that happen to overlap? How about when it's just simple autocomplete based on what classes are visible and what I've used within the same file? These might sound like snide…

> How would you possibly enforce this? The legal system. If you see a bunch of Tailwind markup on websites without a license key, you can enforce your license. The LLMs can write the code for you, but they either have to negotiate their own license or instruct users to get their own. The comparable I am familiar with is Font Awesome. Even if you want a free plan, you still have to create an account and get a key.

Sounds like full employment for IP lawyers. Not a world I'd prefer.
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