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Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by voidfunc »

tqi wrote: post #434
hansmayer wrote: post #321

I cannot stop thinking about the LLMs having this Midas touch quality, because everything they touch seems to ruin things or make people want to avoid them, for example: - Ghibli studio style graphics, - the infamous em-dashes and bullet points - customer service (just try to use Klarnas "support" these days...) - Oracle share price ;) - imagine being one of the worlds most solid and unassailable tech companies, losi…

Oracle was "one of the worlds most solid and unassailable tech companies"?

The Oracle DB moat is big. Like Ocean-sized big.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by mattmanser »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #399
api wrote: post #376

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In previous eras there were many purists who considered photography not-art, sequencer and synthesizer made music not-music, other forms of (non-AI) digital art less legitimate than their more manual classical counterparts, etc. This is the same discourse all over again. Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? I think it is, of course, but I have had experiences where…

> Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? If X composes something, X is an artist. The person playing a composed work is a performer. Some people have both the roles of artist and performer for a given work. To say an AI composes something is anthropomorphizing a computer. If you enter a prompt to make a machine generate work based on existing artists' art, you're not…

The vast majority of artists in all fields don't really have their own style and are just copying other people's. Doesn't matter whether we're talking about art, literature, music, film, whatever.

It takes a rare genius to make a new style, and they come along a few times a generation. And even they will often admit they built on top of existing styles and other artists.

I'm not a fan of AI work or anything, but we need to be honest about what human 'creativity' usually is, which for most artists is basically copying the trends of the time with at most a minor twist.

OTOH, I think when you start entering the fringes of AI work you really start seeing how much it's just stealing other people's work though. With more niche subjects, it will often produce copies of the few artists in that field with a few minor, often bad, changes.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by voidfunc »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #143
torginus wrote: post #133

It's somewhat alarming to see that companies (owned by a very small slice of society) producing these AI thingies (whose current economic is questionable value and actual future potential is up to hot debate), can easily price the rest of humanity out of computing goods.

Without regulation, money begets money and monopolies will form. If the American voter base doesn't pull its shit together and revive democracy, we're going to have a bad century. Yesterday I met a man who doesn't vote and I wanted to go ape-shit on him. "My vote doesn't matter". Vote for mayor. Vote for city council. Vote for our House members. Vote for State Senate. Vote for our two Senators. "Voting doesn't matter…

Some of us dont vote because we just dont really think the outcomes matter.

As long as there is still a way to make money then nothing else really matters as money is the only thing that can buy you a semblance of happiness and freedom. Enough money and you can move to whatever country you want if things get bad enough too in the US.

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Post by lawlessone »

api wrote: post #376
bogzz wrote: post #324

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I am not sure how, or even if, it does stop. I assume once the hot air from LLM company CEOs starts being treated as the flatulence that it is, things will wind down. The sentiment against generated content is not going away.

In previous eras there were many purists who considered photography not-art, sequencer and synthesizer made music not-music, other forms of (non-AI) digital art less legitimate than their more manual classical counterparts, etc. This is the same discourse all over again. Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? I think it is, of course, but I have had experiences where…

Keyboards have had functions that let them play music at the touch of button for decades.

Decades later we still don't consider anyone using that function a musician.

>actual artists who use AI as a tool to make novel forms and styles of art.

writing a prompt lol

We don't compare Usain Bolt to Lewis Hamilton when talking about fastest runners in the world.

But hey think about how much money you could save on a wedding photographer if you just generate a few images of what the wedding probably looked like!

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by matthewkayin »

mattmanser wrote: post #452
RiverCrochet wrote: post #399

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> Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? If X composes something, X is an artist. The person playing a composed work is a performer. Some people have both the roles of artist and performer for a given work. To say an AI composes something is anthropomorphizing a computer. If you enter a prompt to make a machine generate work based on existing artists' art, you're not…

The vast majority of artists in all fields don't really have their own style and are just copying other people's. Doesn't matter whether we're talking about art, literature, music, film, whatever. It takes a rare genius to make a new style, and they come along a few times a generation. And even they will often admit they built on top of existing styles and other artists. I'm not a fan of AI work or anything, but we n…

Sure, you can say that AI is just "stealing like an artist", but that makes the AI the artist in this scenario, not the prompter.

It bothers me that all of the AI "artists" insist that they are just the same as any other artist, even though it was the AI that did all of the work. Even when a human artist is just copying the styles they've seen from other artists, they still had to put in the effort to develop their craft to make the art in the first place.

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

caconym_ wrote: post #449
LogicFailsMe wrote: post #447

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I think the entire fear of AI schtick to farm engagement is little more than performance art for our FAANNG overlords personally. It behaves precisely like the right wing manosphere but with different daily talking points repeated ad nauseum. Bernie Sanders has smelled the opportunity here and really stepped up his game. But TBF, performance art theatre is art as well. The end game IMO will be incorporation of AI art…

> incorporation of AI art toolsets into commercial art workflows and a higher value placed on 100% human art I don't even really believe serious artists need to totally exclude themselves from using genAI as a tool, and I've heard the same from real working artists (generally those who have established careers doing it). Unfortunately, that point inhabits the boring ideological center and is drowned out by the scream…

They aren't, but some are already using pseudonyms to experiment with it to avoid the haters condemning them for doing so. And their work is predictably far superior from the get-go to asking Sora to ghiblify your dog.

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Post by Numerlor »

riku_iki wrote: post #369
Numerlor wrote: post #309

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Afaik production of nand was reduced as some of the lines can be repurposed for dram that's more in demand. Significantly increasing supply is also a huge multi year investment into a new fab that'd likely not pay out when the artificial demand breaks down.

> Significantly increasing supply is also a huge multi year investment into a new fab so, are there huge multi-year investments?

There aren't because nobody is betting on ai demand to last. Then they'd have a couple billion dollar fab sitting around doing nothing and employees that'd have to be fired.

There already was scaling back for dram and and production post COVID, where I believe nand was being sold close to cost because of oversupply

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Post by chowells »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #399
api wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In previous eras there were many purists who considered photography not-art, sequencer and synthesizer made music not-music, other forms of (non-AI) digital art less legitimate than their more manual classical counterparts, etc. This is the same discourse all over again. Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? I think it is, of course, but I have had experiences where…

> Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? If X composes something, X is an artist. The person playing a composed work is a performer. Some people have both the roles of artist and performer for a given work. To say an AI composes something is anthropomorphizing a computer. If you enter a prompt to make a machine generate work based on existing artists' art, you're not…

I mostly agree with your sentiment, but saying "math is not art" is the same as saying "writing is not art". Calculation isn't art. But math isn't calculation. Math is a social activity shared between humans. Like writing, much of it is purely utilitarian. But there's always an aesthetic component, and some works explore that without regard to utility. It's a funny kind of art, accessible to few and beautiful to even fewer. But there is an art there.

Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by vee-kay »

pureagave wrote: post #408
vee-kay wrote: post #404

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(Sharing a comment I recently posted on a similar thread..) For last 2+ years, I've noticed a worrying trend: the typical budget PCs (especially Laptops) are being sold at higher prices with lower RAM (just 8GB) and lower-end CPUs (and no dedicated GPUs). Industry mandate should have become 16GB RAM for PCs and 8GB for mobile, since years ago, but instead it is as if computing/IT industry is regressing. New budget mo…

I don't think we need "industry mandate". I suspect the electronics specs are dictated by the very efficient market and the consumer is being squeezed in many ways. So device manufactures are just meeting the pricing needs of the consumer and dropping the expensive things that are less understood like GPUs and extra ram.

RAMageddon is here.. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/live/ram-price-crisis-updates

Summary: * Massive spikes: Consumer RAM prices have skyrocketed due to a tight supply. Major PC companies have issued warnings of price hikes, with CyberPowerPC stating: "global memory (RAM) prices have surged by 500% and SSD prices have risen by 100%."

* All for AI: The push for increased cloud computing, as seen in the likes of ChatGPT and Gemini, means more data centers are needed, which in turn requires High Bandwidth Memory (HBM). Manufacturers like SK Hynix and Micron are now shifting priorities to make HBM instead of PC RAM.

* Limited supply: Companies are now buying up stock of all the remaining supply of standard DRAM chips, leaving crumbs for the consumer market and price hikes for the limited supply there is.

Good luck expecting "value for money" from this "efficient" market.

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