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Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by sebzim4500 »

doctoboggan wrote: post #12

This seems like another "better vibes" release. With the number of benchmarks exploding, random luck means you can almost always find a couple showing what you want to show. I didn't see much concrete evidence this was noticeably better than 5.1 (or even 5.0). Being a point release though I guess that's fair. I suspect there is also some decent optimizations on the backend that make it cheaper and faster for OpenAI t…

>I suspect there is also some decent optimizations on the backend that make it cheaper and faster for OpenAI to run, and those are the real reasons they want us to use it.

I doubt it, given it is more expensive than the old model.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by wickedsight »

onraglanroad wrote: post #333

I suppose this is as good a place as any to mention this. I've now met two different devs who complained about the weird responses from their LLM of choice, and it turned out they were using a single session for everything. From recipes for the night, presents for the wife and then into programming issues the next day. Don't do that. The whole context is sent on queries to the LLM, so start a new chat for each topic.…

This is why I love that ChatGPT added branching. Sometimes I end up going some random direction in a thread about some code and then I can go back and start a new branch from the part where the chat was still somewhat clean.

Also works really well when some of my questions may not have been worded correctly and ChatGPT has gone in a direction I don't want it to go. Branch, word my question better and get a better answer.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by lopuhin »

mmaunder wrote: post #405

Weirdly, the blog announcement completely omits the actual new context window size which is 400,000: https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-5.2 Can I just say !!!!!!!! Hell yeah! Blog post indicates it's also much better at using the full context. Congrats OpenAI team. Huge day for you folks!! Started on Claude Code and like many of you, had that omg CC moment we all had. Then got greedy. Switched over to Codex…

Context window size of 400k is not new, gpt-5, 5.1, 5-mini, etc. have the same. But they do claim they improved long context performance which if true would be great.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by WheatMillington »

tenpoundhammer wrote: post #295

I have been using chatGPT a ton over the last months and paying the subscription. Used it for coding, news, stock analysis, daily problems, and a whatever I could think of. I decided to give Gemini a go when version three came out to great reviews. Gemini handles every single one of my uses cases much better and consistently gives better answers. This is especially true for situations were searching the web for curre…

I generate fun images for my kids - turn photos into a new style, create colouring pages from pictures, etc. I lost interest in chatGPT because it throws vague TOS errors constantly. Gemini handles all of this without complaint.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by stevage »

martinpw wrote: post #403
nullbound wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will say that it is wild, if not somewhat problematic that two users have such disparate views of seemingly the same product. I say that, but then I remember my own experience just from few days ago. I don't pay for gemini, but I have paid chatgpt sub. I tested both for the same product with seemingly same prompt and subbed chatgpt subjectively beat gemini in terms of scope, options and links with current decent de…

> I will say that it is wild, if not somewhat problematic that two users have such disparate views of seemingly the same product. This happens all the time on HN. Before opening this thread, I was expecting that the top comment would be 100% positive about the product or its competitor, and one of the top replies would be exactly the opposite, and sure enough... I don't know why it is. It's honestly a bit disappointi…

How much nuance can one person's experience have? If the top two most visible things are detailed, contrary experiences of the same product, that seems a pretty good outcome?

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by Nathanba »

azan_ wrote: post #446
tenpoundhammer wrote: post #295

I have been using chatGPT a ton over the last months and paying the subscription. Used it for coding, news, stock analysis, daily problems, and a whatever I could think of. I decided to give Gemini a go when version three came out to great reviews. Gemini handles every single one of my uses cases much better and consistently gives better answers. This is especially true for situations were searching the web for curre…

That's interesting. I've got completely different impression. Every time I use Gemini I'm surprised how bad it is. My main complaint is that Gemini is too lazy.

Same for me, at this point I'm seriously starting to think that these are ads for and by Google because for me Gemini is the worst.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by 0xdeafbeef »

much better https://chatgpt.com/s/t_693b489d5a8881918b723670eaca5734 than 5.1 https://chatgpt.com/s/t_6915c8bd1c80819183a54cd144b55eb2.

Same query - what romanian football player won the premier league

update. Even instant returns correct result without problems

https://chatgpt.com/s/t_693b49e8f5808191a954421822c3bd0d

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by KronisLV »

solarkraft wrote: post #306
tenpoundhammer wrote: post #295

I have been using chatGPT a ton over the last months and paying the subscription. Used it for coding, news, stock analysis, daily problems, and a whatever I could think of. I decided to give Gemini a go when version three came out to great reviews. Gemini handles every single one of my uses cases much better and consistently gives better answers. This is especially true for situations were searching the web for curre…

> Only downsides are in the polish department What an understatement. It has me thinking „man, fuck this“ on the daily. Just today it spontaneously lost an entire 20-30 minutes long thread and it was far from the first time. It basically does it any time you interrupt it in any way. It’s straight up data loss. It’s kind of a typical Google product in that it feels more like a tech demo than a product. It has theoreti…

> It has me thinking „man, fuck this“ on the daily.

That's sometimes me with the CLI. I can't use the Gemini CLI right now on Windows (in the Terminal app), because trying to copy in multiple lines of text for some reason submits them separately and it just breaks the whole thing. OpenCode had the same issue but even worse, it quite after the first line or something and copied the text line by line into the shell, thank fuck I didn't have some text that mentions rm -rf or something.

More info: https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/issues/14735#iss...

At the same time, neither Codex CLI, nor Claude Code had that issue (and both even showed shortened representations of copied in text, instead of just dumping the whole thing into the input directly, so I could easily keep writing my prompt).

So right now if I want to use Gemini, I more or less have to use something like KiloCode/RooCode/Cline in VSC which are nice, but might miss out on some more specific tools. Which is a shame, because Gemini is a really nice model, especially when it comes to my language, Latvian, but also your run of the mill software dev tasks.

In comparison, Codex feels quite slow, whereas Claude Code is what I gravitate towards most of the time but even Sonnet 4.5 ends up being expensive when you shuffle around millions of tokens: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46216192 Cerebras Code is nice for quick stuff and the sheer amount of tokens, but in KiloCode/... regularly messes up applying diff based edits.

Re: GPT-5.2

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Post by jhancock »

nullbound wrote: post #360
dmd wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consistently have exactly the opposite experience. ChatGPT seems extremely willing to do a huge number of searches, think about them, and then kick off more searches after that thinking, think about it, etc., etc. whereas it seems like Gemini is extremely reluctant to do more than a couple of searches. ChatGPT also is willing to open up PDFs, screenshot them, OCR them and use that as input, whereas Gemini just igno…

I will say that it is wild, if not somewhat problematic that two users have such disparate views of seemingly the same product. I say that, but then I remember my own experience just from few days ago. I don't pay for gemini, but I have paid chatgpt sub. I tested both for the same product with seemingly same prompt and subbed chatgpt subjectively beat gemini in terms of scope, options and links with current decent de…

I can use GPT one day and the next get a different experience with the same problem space. Same with Gemini.
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