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I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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A site in '96 would have been built largely with tables, not CSS. CSS didn't become a thing until a couple of years later. I know this because I'm still salty about the transition. For all of CSS's advantages, we lost something when we largely moved away from tables.

You can still use tables.

Of course, as implied by, "we largely moved away from tables."

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Why wouldn't they be?

Why would they be?

Well, I don't know but many LLMs are multimodal and understand pictures and images. You can upload videos to Gemini and they're tokenised and fed into the LLM. If some programming blog post has a screenshot with the result of some UI code, why would that not be scraped and used for training? Is there some reason that wouldn't be possible?

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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You make several good points, and I appreciate that they appear well thought out. > What previously took creative human work now became a mechanical transformation of input data. At which point I find myself wondering if there's actually a problem. If it was previously permitted due to the presence of creative input, why should automating that process change the legal status? What justifies treating human output diff…

> At which point I find myself wondering if there's actually a problem. If it was previously permitted due to the presence of creative input, why should automating that process change the legal status? What justifies treating human output differently? Copyright law... automated transformation preserves copyright. It makes the output a derivative of the input.

Yes that's what the law currently says. I'm asking if it ought to say that in this specific scenario.

Previously there was no way for a machine to do large swaths of things that have now recently become possible. Thus a law predicated on the assumption that a machine can't do certain things might need to be revisited.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Off topic, but you have used imgur as your image hosting site, which cannot be viewed in the UK. If you want all readers to be able to see and understand your points, please could you use a more universally reachable host?

Please reach out to your nearest government official to tell them what do you think about the Imgur not working in your country.

Have done multiple times. Im not asking op to change, just to consider ther may be a large chunk of readers who cant see what they are referencing if they choose Imgur.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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> Interestingly it made a comment about this but didn't do anything about it Classic. This is awesome. Great work. Please follow up again if you happen to nail it.

It's now got everything close after adding this final prompt: We are very close. The footer is positioned in roughly the correct location but the fonts, font sizes, font color and line spacings are all slightly off. This took quite a while and it build a few more tools to get there. And this was fine from a distance but it was using a san-serif when the screenshot has a serif etc. So I decided to push. From here it g…

ha this is awesome. I'm going to link this comment in the post. Great work. lmk if you end up pushing it up to github.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Off topic, but you have used imgur as your image hosting site, which cannot be viewed in the UK. If you want all readers to be able to see and understand your points, please could you use a more universally reachable host?

Which one could be used so everybody can read it? So many different autocratic systems to think about... I think it's easier if you adapt and get a VPN or a new government.

Yes tried that. Getting a new government was a bit tricky and work policy doesnt allow personal VPNs, so was just letting OP know that if they choose to use Imgur then a large chunk of the readers wont know what they are talking about.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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Off topic, but you have used imgur as your image hosting site, which cannot be viewed in the UK. If you want all readers to be able to see and understand your points, please could you use a more universally reachable host?

Why is that?

Why is what? The post is fully self explanitory. If the OP chooses to use Imgur, then a large chunk of the readers will not know what they are talking about.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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That model does not exist. Do you mean Opus 4.5?

> That model does not exist. It does (unless the previous comment was edited? Currently it says Opus 4.1): https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-1 . You can see it in the 'more models' list on the main Claude website, or in Claude Console.

yep, this is what I used.

Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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I need you to prove to me that it's not plagiarism when you write code that uses a library after reading documentation, I guess. > since they're literally trying to recreate the input data as faithfully as possible. Is that how they are able to produce unique code based on libraries that didn't exist in their training set? Or that they themselves wrote? Is that how you can give them the documentation for an API and i…

What? The LLM is trained on a corpus of text, and when it is given a sequence of tokens, it finds a set of token that, when one of them is appended, make the resulting sequence most like the text in that corpus. If it is given a sequence of tokens that is unlike anything in its corpus, all bets are off and it produces garbage, just like machine learning models in general: if the input is outside the learned distribut…

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Re: I failed to recreate the 1996 Space Jam website with Claude

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I need you to prove to me that it's not plagiarism when you write code that uses a library after reading documentation, I guess. > since they're literally trying to recreate the input data as faithfully as possible. Is that how they are able to produce unique code based on libraries that didn't exist in their training set? Or that they themselves wrote? Is that how you can give them the documentation for an API and i…

No, you need to prove that it is not plagiarism when you use an LLM to produce a piece of code that you then claim as yours. You have the whole burden of proof thing backwards.

Oh wild, I was operating under the assumption that the law requires you to prove that a law was broken, but it turns out you need to prove it wasn't. Thanks!
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