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The Case That A.I. Is Thinking

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Re: The Case That A.I. Is Thinking

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Ohio bill in motion to deny AI legal personhood: https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/136/hb469

But what if it incorporates? Corporations are people, my friend.

I know you are making some silly political jab, but the bill would prevent AIs from incorporating, since you'd have to be a person to do that in the first place.

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> But; they don't learn If we took your brain and perfectly digitized it on read-only hardware, would you expect to still “think”? Do amnesiacs who are incapable of laying down long-term memories not think? I personally believe that memory formation and learning are one of the biggest cruces for general intelligence, but I can easily imagine thinking occurring without memory. (Yes, this is potentially ethically very…

> If we took your brain and perfectly digitized it on read-only hardware, would you expect to still “think”? Perhaps this is already known, but I would think there is a high chance that our brains require "write access" to function. That is, the very process of neural activity inherently makes modifications to the underlying structure.

I wonder why we need to sleep so much though

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During the pandemic, I experimented with vaping marijuana to see if I could improve my sleep quality. It worked to a degree, but after a few weeks of nightly use, I began to experience what I think is depersonalization. I would be walking with friends and talking about our day, while simultaneously thinking, "this isn't actually me doing this, this is just a surface-level interaction being carried out almost by autom…

I wish more people could feel this. Having used psychedelics a few times it’s illuminating to finally see the inside of your brain from a different perspective. I often wonder what would happen to the world if everyone had this experience. How many modern humans live their entire lives in the shallow mental states of survival, acceptance, or consumption? How would humanity’s course change if every adult got the gut p…

One of the notable effects of psychedelics is that you come to strongly believe that everyone should try them and that it will be enlightening for them.

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Ridiculous. I use it daily and get meaningful, quality results. Learn to use the tools.

Learn to work on interesting problems? If the problem you are working on is novel and hard, the AI will stumble. Generalizing your experience to everyone else's betrays a lack of imagination.

> Generalizing your experience to everyone else's betrays a lack of imagination.

One guy is generalizing from "they don't work for me" to "they don't work for anyone."

The other one is saying "they do work for me, therefore they do work for some people."

Note that the second of these is a logically valid generalization. Note also that it agrees with folks such as Tim Gowers, who work on novel and hard problems.

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I wish more people could feel this. Having used psychedelics a few times it’s illuminating to finally see the inside of your brain from a different perspective. I often wonder what would happen to the world if everyone had this experience. How many modern humans live their entire lives in the shallow mental states of survival, acceptance, or consumption? How would humanity’s course change if every adult got the gut p…

One of the notable effects of psychedelics is that you come to strongly believe that everyone should try them and that it will be enlightening for them.

So kind of like CBD oil?

Re: The Case That A.I. Is Thinking

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> But; they don't learn If we took your brain and perfectly digitized it on read-only hardware, would you expect to still “think”? Do amnesiacs who are incapable of laying down long-term memories not think? I personally believe that memory formation and learning are one of the biggest cruces for general intelligence, but I can easily imagine thinking occurring without memory. (Yes, this is potentially ethically very…

>If we took your brain and perfectly digitized it on read-only hardware, would you expect to still “think”? it wouldn't work probably, brains constantly alter themselves by forming new connections. Learning is inseparable from our intelligence.

Our intelligence, yes. But that doesn't establish it as essential for thought.

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Random thoughts firing wouldn't be input, they're an internal process to the organism.

It's a process that I don't have conscious control over. I don't choose to think random thoughts they appear. Which is different than thoughts I consciously choose to think and engage with. From my subjective perspective it is an input into my field of awareness.

Your subjective experience is only the tip of the iceberg of your entire brain activity. The conscious part is merely a tool your brain uses to help it achieve its goals, there's no inherent reason to favor it.

Re: The Case That A.I. Is Thinking

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Having seen LLMs so many times produce coherent, sensible and valid chains of reasoning to diagnose issues and bugs in software I work on, I am at this point in absolutely no doubt that they are thinking. Consciousness or self awareness is of course a different question, and ones whose answer seems less clear right now. Knee jerk dismissing the evidence in front of your eyes because you find it unbelievable that we c…

"Consciousness" as in subjective experience, whatever it is we mean by "the hard problem," is very much in doubt.

But "self-awareness," as in the ability to explicitly describe implicit, inner cognitive processes? That has some very strong evidence for it: https://www.anthropic.com/research/introspection

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Sometimes after a night’s sleep, we wake up with an insight on a topic or a solution to a problem we encountered the day before. Did we “think” in our sleep to come up with the insight or solution? For all we know, it’s an unconscious process. Would we call it “thinking”? The term “thinking” is rather ill-defined, too bound to how we perceive our own wakeful thinking. When conversing with LLMs, I never get the feelin…

Interesting, you think the associations your brain comes up with during sleep are NOT thinking?

I assume most people agree with that framing. “Thinking” generally implies a level of consciousness or self-awareness.

“Let me think about this.” “I have to think on it.”

My brain regulates all sorts of processes unconsciously, like breathing, for example. I don’t treat those as “thinking,” so I don’t know why other unconscious brain activity would be either.

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