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Lots of companies spun up giant AI teams over the last 48 months. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if 50+% of these roles are eliminated in the next 48 months. The AI party is coming to an end. Those without clear ROI are ripe for the chopping block.

Well, the told us from the beginning that AI would make many developer jobs redundant, didn’t they?

the monkey paw curls

Re: Meta is axing 600 roles across its AI division

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Ethnically he is Chinese, but he was born here.

Wherever "here" may be. I assume planet Earth for now. Likely North America. But here are are many people from all over the world ...

Here, on Hacker News.

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> My leadership is currently promoting "better to ask forgiveness", or put another way: "a bias towards action" lol, that works well until a big issue occurs in production

But then it also works. Managers can scapegoat engineer who is asking for forgiveness. It's a total win for the management: they take credits if initiative is successful but blame someone else for failure.

Which brings it full circle to engineers saying no to product releases after being burned too harshly by being scapegoated

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Meta will shortly post for 700 new AI roles

or 7 multi-million dollar ones like the last time. [1]

the whole premise is stupid and should be disregarded. still too enticing to turn down for stability.

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2025/06/27/meta-is-offering-multimill...

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I'm seeing a lot of frustration at the leadership level about product velocity- and much of the frustration is pointed at internal gatekeepers who mainly seem to say no to product releases. My leadership is currently promoting "better to ask forgiveness", or put another way: "a bias towards action". There are definitely limits on this, but it's been helpful when dealing with various internal negotiations. I don't spe…

Big tech is suffering from the incumbents disease. What worked well for extracting profits from stable cash cows doesn't work in fields that are moving rapidly. Google et al. were at one point pinnacle technologies too, but this was 20 years ago. Everyone who knew how to work in that environment has moved on or moved up. Were I the CEO of a company like that I'd reduce headcount in the legacy orgs, transition them to…

> For example Google is in the amazing position that it's search can become a commodity that prints a modest amount of money forever as the default search engine for LLM queries, while at the same time their flagship product can be a search AI that uses those queries as citations for answers people look for.

Search is not a commodity. Search providers other than Google are only marginally used because Google is so dominant. At the same time, when LLMs companies can start providing a better solution to the actual job of finding answers to user queries, then Google's dominance is disrupted and their future business is no longer guaranteed. Maintaining Google search infra to serve as a search backbone is not big enough for Google.

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And what did they do with it for the next five years?

Used it to do things? This seems like a weird question. OpenAI took about the same amount of time to go big as well (Sam was excited about open AI in 2017, but it took 5+ years for it to pan out into something used by people).

Pre-ChatGPT OpenAI produced impressive RL results but their pivot to transformers was not guaranteed. With all internet data, infinite money, and ~800x more people, Google's internal LLMs were meh at best, probably because the innovators like Radford would constantly be snubbed by entrenched leaders (which almost happened in OpenAI).

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Feels like this is the fundamental flaw with a lot of things not just in the private sector, but the public one too. Look at the FDA, where it's notoriously bogged down in red tape, and the incentives slant heavily towards rejection. This makes getting pharmaceuticals out even more expensive, and raises the overall cost of healthcare. It's too easy to say no, and people prioritize CYA over getting things done. The qu…

I take your broader point but personally I feel like it’s ok if the FDA is cautious. The incentives that bias towards rejection may be “not killing people”.

What about the people who die because a safe and effective drug that could have saved their life got rejected? The problem is that there's a fundamental asymmetry here - those deaths are invisible but deaths from a bad drug that got approved are very visible.

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DeepSeek obliterated Meta’s AI and their strategy. Even now there are alternatives to DeepSeek like Qwen. I don’t know how they will recover from it. I don’t know what they can offer other than additional ham fisted AI integration into their products, or doubling down on their already underwhelming VR/AR experiences

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They properly fucked FAIR. it was a lead, if not the leading AI lab. then they gave it to Chris Cox, the Midas of shit. It languished in "product" trying to do applied research. The rot had set in by mid 2024 if not earlier. Then someone convinced Zuck that he needed what ever that new kid is, and the rest is history. Meta has too many staff, exceptionally poor leadership, and a performance system that rewards bullsh…

> Meta has too many staff, exceptionally poor leadership, and a performance system that rewards bullshitters. To be fair, almost every company has a performance system that rewards bullshitters. You’re rewarded on your ability to schmooze and talk confidently and write numerous great-sounding docs about all the great things you claim to be doing. This is not unique to one company.

> almost every company has a performance system that rewards bullshitters.

Meta's is uniquely bad.

Basically your superiours all go into a room and argue about who did what, when and how good it was.

If you have a manager who is bad at presenting, then their team is sunk, and will be used to fill quotas. The way out of that is to create workplace posts that are seen by your wider org, that make you look like you're doing something useful. "oh I heard about x, they talked about y, that sounded good"

This means that people who work away and just do good engineering are less likley to be rewarded compared to the #thankstrain twats/"I wrote the post, therefore it was all me me me" types

This alignment meeting is all private, and there are no mechanisms to challenge it. worse still it encourages a patronage system. Your manager has almost complete discretion to fuck up your career, so don't be honest in pulse(the survey/feedback system).

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