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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by egorfine »

chipgap98 wrote: post #257
egorfine wrote: post #219

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> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

How is this not a problem with the law rather than a problem with Cloudflare?

It is a forbidden rule of discussion to refer to Hitler and Nazis but I still want to point out that holocaust was fully legal.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by tzahifadida »

I think this is amazingly great. If they can compete with AWS SES on pricing then, why should I work and pay to 2 services if I already use cloudflare and just use AWS SES for transactional emails. BUT and this is a big one. Most OSS already integrates with SES, so I doubt it will be easy to replace, it may take years, unless.... they can replace them completely as is without adding new codes and apis...

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

stingraycharles wrote: post #371
ezfe wrote: post #337

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wget isn't supposed to work on these sites. They've chosen Cloudflare and asked them to do this.

That’s exactly the part that people forget: all these policies are decided to be applied by the website owners. It started with DDoS blocking and they just extended it to more things. I feel like people here are forgetting the fact just how hostile bad actors on the internet are / can be.

How website owners enable infinite captcha?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

chipgap98 wrote: post #257
egorfine wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

How is this not a problem with the law rather than a problem with Cloudflare?

The growth of Cloudflare is what makes the law possible.

Several countries have stupid laws around online child protection, that are universally ignored and universally not enforced simply because there is no reasonable way to comply. Others might be tempted to introduce new stupid laws once they become feasible.

That doesn't make it Cloudflare's fault, but the centralization is still a problem.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by Gud »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #428
Gud wrote: post #418

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No it wasn’t. The internet peaked in 2005, or whatever year Firefox had the most popularity. It’s only been downhill from there. The internet was a lot better place before American mega corporations took total control. It was mostly neighborhood bulletin boards, fan zines and the occasional shop. Today there is only bots, bots, bots, political lunatics and influencers dumbing down future generations.

"Today there is only bots, bots, bots, political lunatics and influencers dumbing down future generations." seems like its people problem not the internet problem are you blaming knife too when someone use it to kill people????

No.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by sneak »

_heimdall wrote: post #400
wahnfrieden wrote: post #395

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Or the time they knowingly employed a Nazi

Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? And no this is not an attempt to in anyway belittle what Nazi German did during WWII. Assuming the employee you are referring to has never been engaged in such acts, though, that feels like a very slippery slope.

Yes. Discrimination in hiring with regard to personal viewpoints (ie adult decisions, not built-in traits) is one of the best ways we have to shape society for the better.

As private entities, we have freedom of association - including freedom to shun certain groups. Use it!

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

Biganon wrote: post #429
inetknght wrote: post #236

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> Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Maybe for you. But I don't let random unvetted websites run code on my computer. Checking that box requires it.

May I ask what the risk is with letting websites run JS on your computer?

The constant flow of js vulnerabilities in browsers. Also misbehaving scripts.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by sneak »

miki123211 wrote: post #436
zenmac wrote: post #249

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For example, recently certain big corp ask me to verify something. I clicked on the link in the E-Mail and it was suck on Cloudflare the click button over and over again. No matter how many times I clicked. Do I need to find another internet access now?

You need to become more like a "normal person." No VPN (unless your ISP is extremely shady, then do use a VPN or change ISP), no overly zealous adblock (ublock origin on default settings should be fine), no JS blocking / weird privacy extensions / whatever, nno PiHole, just what your average, relatively tech-savvy geek would use. HN readerships's problems with Cloudflare are mostly their own fault. "normal" internet…

All of my ISPs are shady due to regulatory capture. I can’t change to any ISP that is safe to use without a VPN.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by DoctorOW »

_heimdall wrote: post #400
wahnfrieden wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or the time they knowingly employed a Nazi

Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? And no this is not an attempt to in anyway belittle what Nazi German did during WWII. Assuming the employee you are referring to has never been engaged in such acts, though, that feels like a very slippery slope.

> Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you?

Would you put a Nazi and a Jewish person in a room every day (or on a Zoom call or whatever) and expect something productive to happen? Well, no. It's a ticking timebomb. If you have an organization with multiple employees, they'll have to be people who can work together. So as a workplace, you need to either rid your employees of their discriminating views or rid yourself of employees who cause problems.

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