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Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by potato3732842 »

OJFord wrote: post #280
Lammy wrote: post #7

Love the leaderboard feature. Relevant fee breakdown: https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-docume...

Seems weird to me (from nowhere near SF) that some of the cheapest things to do are to block fire stations, fire hydrants and 'fire lanes' (I assume that's like a bus lane but for fire engines, in places that's common enough for whatever reason, like right by a fire station?) - wheelchair/disability related stuff is much more penalised, but even all sorts of other 'regular' mis-parking seems for some reason slightly…

The fine is low because the "typical case" is like a long van that's hanging over the line into the hydrant zone or something but doesn't actually block access.

They'd rather have the fine be low for the people who are actually blocking the fire lanes in spirit in order to rake in the money from the people who are only doing it in technicality.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by ceejayoz »

hn_go_brrrrr wrote: post #432
RS-232 wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While personal privacy may be preserved outside the scope of public acts, an individual who, in the execution of official duties, operates vehicles displaying lights or sirens and wears official identification inherently waives any claim to geospatial privacy.

I dunno, I don't think we should publish the real-time location of guards protecting sensitive government locations.

Oh, there's no need. They leak that themselves!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/28/fitness-tracki...

https://apnews.com/article/biden-trump-macron-bodyguards-sec...

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by adolph »

whakim wrote: post #255
adolph wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an rss feed of road rules piped into Anki cards or what? Or just maybe "driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road" is a fallacious claim that rests on pedantic legal formalism and an impoverished sense of human psychology.

No, I don't; there are plenty of places you can't legally park that do not have painted curbs or "No Parking" signage. Do we also need curbs and signage near every fire hydrant? How about every driveway? Can drivers double-park anywhere they want? Should they yield to pedestrians in crosswalks? Etc. etc.

Reviewing the thread, the context is newly enforcing something that might not be illegal in all jurisdictions. Citing different contexts where signage is not always used doesn't change the fact that the discussion focuses on change in common practice in a specific context. In fact, I observe plenty of signage for fire hydrants and driveways in places where people commonly make parking errors.

The question still stands. How do you ensure you detect changes rules of the road in order to maintain your privilege?

  >>>>>>> Where I live, many people park at intersections right up to the curb
  >>>>>> This is now illegal in some states
  >>>>> It's illegal in California but in San Francisco official policy is to not enforce this law.
  >>>>> If there's no red paint on the curb, they won't ticket you.
  >>>> It was ridiculous that they were originally proposing ticketing people without there being signage that it was illegal to park there.
  >>> Why? Having a driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road.
  >> Do you have an rss feed of road rules piped into Anki cards or what?
  > No, I don't; there are plenty of places you can't legally park that do not have painted curbs or "No Parking" signage.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by lokar »

jjcob wrote: post #388
hopelite wrote: post #363

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How do you think these public officials with massive paychecks and life long massive pensions operate; they drive around in the most noticeable little vehicles that you can spot from a mile away. If you needed to track them for some reason you would just follow them, and most likely people in the neighborhood probably already know their routes anyways. It seems you are fixated on something you just can’t let go, as i…

If you park your car on a bus stop, you deserve that fine. I wish my city fine like this.

And if you park blocking bike lane?

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by lokar »

potato3732842 wrote: post #451
OJFord wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems weird to me (from nowhere near SF) that some of the cheapest things to do are to block fire stations, fire hydrants and 'fire lanes' (I assume that's like a bus lane but for fire engines, in places that's common enough for whatever reason, like right by a fire station?) - wheelchair/disability related stuff is much more penalised, but even all sorts of other 'regular' mis-parking seems for some reason slightly…

The fine is low because the "typical case" is like a long van that's hanging over the line into the hydrant zone or something but doesn't actually block access. They'd rather have the fine be low for the people who are actually blocking the fire lanes in spirit in order to rake in the money from the people who are only doing it in technicality.

And I think if the situation is a real problem they can tow it out of the way

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by adolph »

izacus wrote: post #195
adolph wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an rss feed of road rules piped into Anki cards or what? Or just maybe "driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road" is a fallacious claim that rests on pedantic legal formalism and an impoverished sense of human psychology.

How bizarre, this rule is enforced across most of EU without signage and somehow most people cope. Why wouldn't Americans?

It isn't bizarre that rules and practice vary widely in different cultural contexts. Even your claim is caveated as "most of EU," recognizing that it might not be the same in all places.

In many places in the US, there is a culture of legibility, whereby informational affordances are relevantly and generously provisioned. This allows for more certainty for both facility users and rule enforcers. On the flip side, there are a lot of signs all over the place.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by thatfrenchguy »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #395
varenc wrote: post #391

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> There should be no expectation of privacy for any public officer It's worth noting that SF Parking Control Officers aren't "police" by most any definition. They're not sworn, and they don't qualify as peace officers under California law. They can't execute warrants, make arrests, or carry firearms, etc. They work under the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA), not the SFPD. Their enforcement powers…

> tracking USPS employees ... that actually also sounds useful i don't see why they shouldnt be tracked while working

If you track them while working you’ll focus on hourly productivity rather than annual productivity and customer satisfaction. My postman has literal love letters by children written on houses on the block, makes sure you never loose any important documents, and so generally amazing, and I’m sure if you looked at his « number of houses per hour » metric it’d look bad.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by vlovich123 »

crazygringo wrote: post #446
hopelite wrote: post #435

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What the cost of living inside SF is, is irrelevant to the matter. As city employees they also have other benefits related to commuting and no one makes them commute into the city for that job that pays at minimum $70k and up to $100k in a country where the average wage is $39k...the average...and it is for *checks notes* driving around, looking, and pushing buttons all day. You seem to lack perspective, probably bec…

You seem to be the one lacking not just perspective but correct facts. > for that job that pays at minimum $70k and up to $100k in a country where the average wage is $39k...the average... Where are you getting an average of $39k from? The OECD lists 2024 US average salary as $82,933 [1]. So this is a job that pays from less than average to a bit more than average nationally . But , the mean hourly wage in San Franci…

> You clearly have no concept of the kinds of dangerous physical encounters cops have with scary, crazy, threatening, lunatic people on a regular basis.

Parking enforcement people are not police officers, nor do they have any of the powers of one.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by KingNoosh »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #416
e_y_ wrote: post #403

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If we're talking about public tracking: package theft

Uhhh... Seems like the problem to address is crime? It's kinda crazy what kind of third world shit people just accept as normal now

I find it hilarious that people are arguing against a person w/ your using w/ the word being contrarian w/ you being contrarian right now ahahaha.

People it seems have stopped wanting for fix or reform the system.

Re: Find SF parking cops

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Post by jonny_eh »

sedatk wrote: post #208
jonny_eh wrote: post #95

Probably a good time to tell people that SF operates a "Text Before Tow Program" where you can get a warning that you're about to get towed: https://www.sfmta.com/text-tow-program

> This service only applies to parking more than 72-hours, blocked driveway, construction, and temporary no-parking (special event or moving truck) zones. Peak-hour tow-away lanes, hazards, yellow or white zones and other violations are not included. Still great though. That would have saved me $500 6 years ago.

It would have saved me $600 two weeks ago.
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