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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by account42 »

xmprt wrote: post #314
account42 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That response ignores the fact that Valve isn't in the business of preventing you from playing your games on niche operating systems but Cloudflare is in the business of blocking non-standard browsers. If Cloudflare truly wants to prevent a Google/Apple web duopoly the most effective thing they can do is to stop blocking alternatives or even just browser- configurations that are Google-hostile.

> Valve isn't in the business of preventing you from playing your games on niche operating systems Getting your Steam library to work on Linux before it got Valve's blessing with Proton wasn't a great experience. If they wanted to, they could have easily decided to block games from running on Linux and gave some statement about preventing piracy and protecting users from malware. I'm optimistic that this investment m…

> Getting your Steam library to work on Linux before it got Valve's blessing with Proton wasn't a great experience.

There weren't any real roadblocks for that caused by Valve. And it definitely wasn't as hard as you're implying.

> If they wanted to, they could have easily decided to block games from running on Linux and gave some statement about preventing piracy and protecting users from malware.

They could have just like any software developer could but they didn't. They also didn't block the Steam for Linux client from running on unapproved distributions or even FreeBSD.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by immibis »

drakythe wrote: post #368
immibis wrote: post #245

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In practical reality, Chromium is a downstream less-googled fork of Chrome. First they decide what they want to put into Chrome, and then they put the less-googled parts of that into Chromium.

While I agree with you, as indicated by my comment about Google having de facto control, the terms upstream or downstream when discussing forking an open source codebase has specific meaning. Chromium is not a downstream forked that has ripped all the google pieces out. It is the upstream codebase that Google then builds all their telemetry and other Google shenanigans into. If we're discussing someone else forking C…

"upstream" and "downstream" is about the direction changes flow. Changes flow from Chrome into Chromium. The fact they arrive in the Chromium repository before they arrive in a public release of Chrome is not relevant.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by casey2 »

xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

With Linux you can have a million rices with passionate creators who motivate their family, friends, audience to try something new. I would prefer spliting the money among more projects like this rather than misplacing resources into a hobbiest/poweruser thing. Ideas that would be more appropriate than money: an award, signal boost, pizza, invite to a convention

If I was conspiratorially minded I would say Omarchy exists and get support just so LARBS users have someone to spit at while feeling like the underdog. Props to the Omarchy creator for being so unabashedly opinionated in their rice despite the years of hate on soy devs. Unused RAM is wasted ram!

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by marginalia_nu »

OJFord wrote: post #448
marginalia_nu wrote: post #278

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It basically is opinionated dotfiles and a few scripts, though that's a bit of a reductive take. The killer feature of Omarchy is how accessible and streamlined it is. You can set up your own arch+hypr environment in a weekend of tweaking and fiddling assuming basic Linux competency, or you can use Omarchy and get where you want to be in 10 minutes with no tweaking or fiddling. If you want is the outcome of the fiddl…

Thousands of people share their dotfiles though, there's just no need for it to be its own Arch-derivative distribution. Could've just been 'here are my dotfiles, works best on Arch'.

I came from doing that that before switching to Omarchy and it really is not the same.

A lot of "other people's dotfiles" have issues, and often just a few too many anime waifus bundled. That's fine I guess, but it's not what I'm looking for in a WM.

The fact that DHH's managed to rally a community to participate and maintain Omarchy is also a big part of it. If you have an issue, other people will have that issue, and quickly work together to find a fix. There's also a discord full of people running your exact setup you can exchange experiences with.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by marginalia_nu »

1oooqooq wrote: post #418
marginalia_nu wrote: post #361

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I like Omarchy as an advanced user. I migrated off vanilla Arch + Hypr to Omarchy because it saves me a bunch of hassle setting all that up myself. I want the outcome, don't particularly enjoy the fiddling. I definitely could, I've even done LFS way back in the day, but I have other things I'd rather do with my time these days. I think it's in many ways a project that caters to professional programmers. It's definite…

comparing arch with LFS is wild, but thanks for sharing. I personally just pacman install the kde metapackage, and I'm done.

I'm not saying arch is anything like LFS, I'm saying I've done LFS and this is not an "arch is too hard" thing.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by marginalia_nu »

nickjj wrote: post #377
marginalia_nu wrote: post #278

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It basically is opinionated dotfiles and a few scripts, though that's a bit of a reductive take. The killer feature of Omarchy is how accessible and streamlined it is. You can set up your own arch+hypr environment in a weekend of tweaking and fiddling assuming basic Linux competency, or you can use Omarchy and get where you want to be in 10 minutes with no tweaking or fiddling. If you want is the outcome of the fiddl…

I'm surprised so many people who want to use Arch aren't in it for the fiddling. I've had publicly installable dotfiles with a "1 command and ~5 minutes later" you have your development environment set up for a few years now. It is command line focused since my main box is running WSL 2 with Arch Linux. The script works for Debian, Ubuntu, Arch and macOS since I use a work laptop that's running a MBP. It was a lot of…

If you feel it's not for you, then it's probably not for you.

I don't think Omarchy is or needs to be for everyone. Its recipe for success is likely that it's catering to a fairly particular archetype that's generally overlooked by most distributions and OS vendors, and not trying to be or do anything else.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by sebstefan »

>Will Ladybird work on Windows?

>We don't have anyone actively working on Windows support, and there are considerable changes required to make it work well outside a Unix-like environment.

>We would like to do Windows eventually, but it's not a priority at the moment.

What's the user share again? 70% of desktop users?

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by ohdeargodno »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #117
bigyabai wrote: post #107

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Apple isn't the only one standing in the way of a Google hegemony. If they are, then the web is already fucked since neither corporation has a benevolent track record pertaining to Open Source. Apple just can't compete without steering privileges that are equally harmful to the open web.

If web devs get permission to start ignoring Safari (which currently sits at ~20% marketshare), there’s no way they’re going to care about Firefox which doesn’t have even a fifth as much. If Safari falls so does Firefox.

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by jwhiles »

pmdr wrote: post #187
jwhiles wrote: post #173

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> Not someone you publicly associate your organisation with him unless you want to send a certain message. ... that you like Linux, Rails and despise Apple?

Your interpretation of my comment, though I guess intended as a joke, can only really mean two things:

1. You are unaware of DHH’s more recent favoured topics 2. You don’t think there is a problem with DHH’s opinions

Either is fine, I don’t really care.

The issue for me is that Cloudflare’s PR team obviously are aware what DHH writes about. And they’re sponsoring his project anyway. Cloudflare knows that this is repellant to a lot of people, that some of us will begin removing them from our stacks in response. But they don’t care, because they think it’s more valuable to cosy up to a bunch of mid life crises who’ve spent too much time on twitter.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by akimbostrawman »

sebstefan wrote: post #457

>Will Ladybird work on Windows? >We don't have anyone actively working on Windows support, and there are considerable changes required to make it work well outside a Unix-like environment. >We would like to do Windows eventually, but it's not a priority at the moment. What's the user share again? 70% of desktop users?

What is the state of the project again? Alpha status?
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