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AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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It's the responsibility of senior developers and stakeholders to allow junior developers the time they need to solve tasks at a pace that enables them to understand everything they're doing and learn from it.

These days, AI can generate solutions to problems 10 times faster than a junior developer can. This naturally puts pressure on developers who want to impress their employers, especially when their colleagues are also using AI.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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This is what I've been finding. Currently, if I have a junior level task, I take the email I would have sent to a junior developer explaining what I want and give it to ChatGPT/Claude/etc and get a reasonably good solution that needs as many feedback loops as the junior dev would have needed. Except I got that solution in a few minutes.

I have been reading this here since 2021. At the same time it gets better every day. But I cant hire a company to create software for me 10 times faster and cheaper than 5 years ago. I am so tired of lies.

I didn't say I was 10x faster so I'm not sure why you are accusing me of lying.

What AI does is replace most of the junior engineers, some of the intermediate engineers and speed up your senior engineers. That's why you are seeing massive layoffs across the industry.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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What? Where is all the software made by ai? Where are the videogames? Where is the Office killer? If ai enables you people so much I would expect software making to have skyroketed. It has nor happend.

I don't know, I don't entirely understand it either, but I think people are just impatient. AI coding has only hit it's stride in the last ~6 months. And there's a huge part of the business process that isn't coding, isn't necessarily amenable to being sped up. All I can tell you is that it's happening right now, every day, on my desk. I am part of that software explosion that you can't see.

You are telling me I have been reading about AI coding only for 6 months?

I feel I have been reading for years.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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The rank disrespect of somebody asking you to review something they haven't even looked at is eye watering. I feel like AI-induced brain-rot of engineers is inevitable. Unless we see AI leapfrog into something close to AGI in the future (certainly not ruling this out), I think there will be very lucrative careers available to engineers who can maintain a balanced relationship with AI.

Stop saying engineer when you mean programmer. It’s an insult to real engineers.

People making siege engines?

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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AI is a tool, like any other. Imagine you invented a new machine gun that fires faster and has less recoil but james more often. Who will be able to put the new machine gun to better use -- new recruits or veteran soldiers? C'mon.

That might be a trick question I think. As a veteran I would drop one enemy, take their AK-47 and drop my M-16 and start collecting ammo for my nifty old but reliable AK-47 that does not jam when it gets a little dirty.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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The rank disrespect of somebody asking you to review something they haven't even looked at is eye watering. I feel like AI-induced brain-rot of engineers is inevitable. Unless we see AI leapfrog into something close to AGI in the future (certainly not ruling this out), I think there will be very lucrative careers available to engineers who can maintain a balanced relationship with AI.

Well no one actually asked you for a review, it's just a stupid checkbox item some boomer added to the list of other useless checkbox items - like group calls where everyone is just reading list of closed tickets we can all read ourselves in jira. This self righteous bullshit makes the whole ordeal even more insufferable.

If you saw the nonsense some of my teammates try to commit, you would have a completely different view on code review. Just off the top of my head in the past 3 months, they have:

  - Written a 1-line function that returns a literal, but they pointlessly made the function async and added a @cache decorator.
  - Used try/catch to catch ALL exceptions, and then just ignored the exception causing code elsewhere to explode.
  - Used try/catch to catch ALL exceptions, and then log that an authentication error happened. Did the request time out? Well the logs now lie to you and say it was an authentication error.
  - Replace a log statement for a very serious error with a logging.warning() because that makes the error no longer show up on our reports.
If code reviews are that useless to you, that must mean either your team is completely homogeneous in terms of skill level and knowledge, or no one is taking the code reviews seriously.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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Lately I've even stopped using it the second the code I need to produce is at all complicated or is in any way integrated into a larger code base.

It's just going to require too much editing.

For brainstorming it's great, for anything else, it's starting to feel like more work than it's worth.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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> Yet in conclusion, this self-reported figure is stated as an independently observed fact. When people without ADHD take stimulants they also self-report increased productivity, higher accuracy, and faster task completion but all objective measurements are negatively affected. Interesting analogy, because all those studies with objective measurements are defied by US students year by year, come finals seasons.

Yeah, they take them because they get high. Believing in things that are unsupported by empirical evidence is in the domain of religion, not science.

You can't really get high much on prescription-level dosages - that quickly gets tricky logistically and prohibitively expensive. People who look for highs go to the street for a reason.

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This. You _have_ to write the spec. The result is that instead of spending X units of time on spec and THEN y units of time on coding, you get the whole thing in x units of time AND you have a spec. The trick is knowning where the particular LLM sucks. I expect in a short amount of time there is no productivity gain but when you start to understand the limitations and strengths - holey moley.

Unless you realize no LLM is good at what you need and you just wasted weeks of time walking in circles.

If you notice only after two weeks the project is off-kilter I would guess the chance of that happening without an LLM is not low either.

These are not _tools_ -they are like cool demos. Once you have a certain mass of functional code in place, intuition - that for myself required decades of programming to develop - kicks in and you get these spider sense tinglings ”ahh umm this does not feel right, something’s wrong”.

My advice would be don’t use LLM until you have the ”spider-sense” level intuition.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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If we're just back to I do the work and use a search engine, why futz with AI?

If the free market is any indication, because it’s more effective than what passes for a search engine these days.

It's not, but there's sure a lot of money and pride riding on getting people to believe it is
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