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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by throwaway7783 »

pessimizer wrote: post #423
nis0s wrote: post #363

A lot of aggrieved comments blaming US leadership, but nary a word about the leadership of countries which create conditions that people have to emigrate from. Populations of most countries offshore the blame for the lack of economic opportunity or social conditions where they live. I don’t blame the common folk, it’s the leaders and elite of such places who are responsible for their countries relative success or fai…

With the ungodly level of poverty upper-class Indians are used to stepping over back at home, it's no wonder that there's no consideration given to working people here. We hopefully have a different ethical structure. Extreme racists are largely a minority in the west, whereas birth naturally defining your life is simply common sense in some of the countries that we accept the most immigrants from. I'd be more inclin…

>>those who are coming here are from the class who have the most say in the conditions of the poor in their own countries.

Wow, okay. How does this work? All such people actually rule those countries? Or their votes somehow counted more than others?

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Post by arrowsmith »

dotnet00 wrote: post #243
someperson wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can be pretty sure your retired parents won't, if ever you need them to move in with you The immigration system should be designed to block retired parents from moving country to live with their working age adult children who have migrated. One reason to have immigration is to improve a country's dependency ratio: the ratio of working age population to children and retirees. The ideal immigrants are young well-…

Your ideal immigrants are young parents with healthy children, who are apparently willing to abandon their own parents? And somehow this is a good thing?

Hey, quick question: who founded America?

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Post by nis0s »

dragontamer wrote: post #419
nis0s wrote: post #363

A lot of aggrieved comments blaming US leadership, but nary a word about the leadership of countries which create conditions that people have to emigrate from. Populations of most countries offshore the blame for the lack of economic opportunity or social conditions where they live. I don’t blame the common folk, it’s the leaders and elite of such places who are responsible for their countries relative success or fai…

> but nary a word about the leadership of countries which create conditions that people have to emigrate from. Because we in the US largely care about making our country better. And pulling the best and brightest out of other countries has historically been considered a good deal for us or even an explicit 'Brain Drain the Soviets' strategy. This admin and the people in charge today have forgotten about this and now…

Except the U.S. right now is nothing like what the USSR was under the Soviets, at least not for people who are in the U.S. via proper and lawful immigration protocols. The bent towards Christian nationalism may covert the US into an unviable USSR-like environment for a majority of its population, including whites and Christians. But I don’t think that scenario is likely given the range of leadership available to the U.S. I guess it depends on how the next two years unfold, maybe I’ll stand corrected.

Regarding brain drains, why is it so bad if the best and most productive of another country stay in their home states, or go else where? The fact is that there are a lot of nations which experience relatively low rates of immigration, but are at the forefront of science and tech, such as China or Japan or Singapore. Maybe brain drains are not the main concern here, if anything the idea is a distraction.

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Post by wussboy »

mrmansano wrote: post #140

Anecdotally, although I'm sure it's happening to more people. I'm Brazilian, I work in the US on H1-B. I'm on vacations in Brazil with my wife and kids, one in school age. I also came to renew my visa stamp, as I had my extension approved not long ago. My visa is valid from September 21st, so, same day as this proclamation takes effect. And I can't go back before that because my visa is not valid. My flight was sched…

The government is not trying to solve anything. This is a ploy to generate uncertainty and obedience.

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Post by GenerWork »

Etheryte wrote: post #392
praveen9920 wrote: post #368

I just saw that some people on 4chan are organizing a mass booking of high-traffic route flights from India to stop some Indians from coming back. It feels like the visa process is politically weaponised for propagating racism.

Judging by Google Flights, the tickets start from five hundred or so each, so I don't really see anyone putting a real dent in this. Unless it's actually Elon Musk who could literally book all the flights full, should he so desire.

That's not how it works. The idea is that the sites will hold your spot for X minutes before they release the seat, so what they're doing is booking the flight, choosing seats (or not), getting to the payment page, and sitting there while the timer counts down. I believe that once it gets to 5 minutes or so there's an alert that asks if you're still there, and if you say yes, they'll either reset the timer or add some additional time on.

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Post by throwaway7783 »

frankharv wrote: post #318
abeppu wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

48 hours would also have been crazy. This should be a bill introduced in Congress, discussed in committee, voted on, and enacted with a date months in the future when it goes into effect, so that people, companies and government agencies can prepare and plan ... you know like an country with laws and procedures.

That argument went out the door when the last administration chose to open the borders. We have laws against that. But they were ignored.

I really would like to understand what did last administration do to open the doors. Didn't they actually deport historically high number of people?

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Post by zuminator »

afpx wrote: post #388
duped wrote: post #212

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Immigration is great when it's done at the right pace. The pace of the last 10 years has been jarring. It's counterproductive at this point just because of the extra cognitive load alone. Can we take a 20 year break then start it back up slowly? And, economically, I think it'll be fine. Won't it be great for the rest of the world to share in the economic success of the US? I'm looking forward to a day when most natio…

Surely there is a way to implement a "taking a break" policy without purposely squalid concentration camps, extradition to random gulags, sudden capricious fees, legions of masked shock troops, and the like?

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

thisisit wrote: post #384
cs_throwaway wrote: post #271

I think a lot of people arguing about the H1B visa are talking past each other. - There is no doubt a large volume of abuse by tech consulting companies. It's likely even worse than it looks, because the H1Bs in the U.S. are to support even larger teams offshore. I don't understand why we can't just blacklist these companies. - Some of medium-skill hires, e.g., did a 2 year MS degree from random university in the U.S…

To add lot of people don't seem to have read the full announcement. It says Secretary of Homeland Security can grant exception. That means companies like Tesla are more likely to get a pass - because manufacturing jobs and what not. Also, HN is hyper focused on tech consulting. H1Bs are used by doctors too especially in rural America. Doctors apply for J1 waiver and then get H1B for work. From what I have heard some…

Yes, it's a shakedown. If you're a good little poodle and grease the right palms you get a carve out. If you rock the boat or are too small to matter - well, I'm sorry, that's the law now, and no one is going to change it for you, etc.

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Post by stackskipton »

einszwei wrote: post #139
jmclnx wrote: post #22

>Some employers have exploited the program to hold down wages, disadvantaging U.S. workers, Change "Some" to "All major employers". I worked at a fortune 500 company in IT and all they hired were H1B employees over the past 15/20 years. The last raise we got that was above inflation and health insurance increases was before 2000. I left 2 years ago and after I left they fired almost everyone in the IT Dept I was in a…

As someone who previously worked in US with H1Bs who were making well over half a million, I doubt your statement. I have moved out of the US a few years back though. But regardless, I sincerely hope this policy sticks without any loopholes. This policy will only incentivise companies to move more of their operations to other countries and only keep the bare minimum in US to keep their US business thriving.

As someone who worked with mulitple H-1Bs making less than their peers, I believe his statement.

This visa is very two faced. One hand, it's been used to import some really smart people into the United States who have gone on to do incredible things. Other hand, it's been used for job replacement by "native" workers who can do the job but were "too expensive".

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