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Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by cyanydeez »

evanjrowley wrote: post #211

Nvidia's stake in Intel could have terrible consequences. First, it is in Nvidia's interest to kill Intel's Arc graphics, and that would be very bad because it is the only thing brighing GPU prices down for consumers. Second, the death of Intel graphics / Arc would be extremely bad for Linux, because Intel's approach to GPU drivers is the best for compatibility, wheras Nvidia is actively hostile to drivers on Linux.…

No no, its in NVIDIA interest to ensure it's just good enough for the plebs, so they can continue to gouge the high rate market.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by janc_ »

bee_rider wrote: post #365
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can buy enough stock to shift the price, then use that as a lever to control their own investments prices (and thence profits). Like they've done with tariffs.

That sounds more like an abuse of government powers for individual gain than any legitimate government interest. If that was the plan it would make just as much sense to short a company and then announce a plan to put them under greater regulatory scrutiny.

You think they haven't done that sort of things yet?

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by codedokode »

ho_schi wrote: post #428
evanjrowley wrote: post #211

Nvidia's stake in Intel could have terrible consequences. First, it is in Nvidia's interest to kill Intel's Arc graphics, and that would be very bad because it is the only thing brighing GPU prices down for consumers. Second, the death of Intel graphics / Arc would be extremely bad for Linux, because Intel's approach to GPU drivers is the best for compatibility, wheras Nvidia is actively hostile to drivers on Linux.…

Conclusion: Buy AMD. Excellent Linux support with in-tree drivers. For 15 years! A bug is something which will be fixed. Nvidias GPUs are theoretically fast on initial benchmarks. But that’s mostly optimization by others for Nvidia? That’s it. Everything Nvidia has done is a pain. Closed-source drivers (old pain), out of tree-drivers (new pain), ignoring (or actively harming) Wayland (everyone handles implicit sync w…

> Basically, video memory could be gone after Suspend/Resume, VT-Switch and so on.

This actually makes sense: for example, a new task has swapped out previous task's data, or host and guest are sharing the GPU and pushing each others data away. I don't understand why this is not a part of GPU-related standards.

As for solution, discarding all the GPU data after resume won't help? Or keeping the data in the system RAM.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by est31 »

ho_schi wrote: post #428
evanjrowley wrote: post #211

Nvidia's stake in Intel could have terrible consequences. First, it is in Nvidia's interest to kill Intel's Arc graphics, and that would be very bad because it is the only thing brighing GPU prices down for consumers. Second, the death of Intel graphics / Arc would be extremely bad for Linux, because Intel's approach to GPU drivers is the best for compatibility, wheras Nvidia is actively hostile to drivers on Linux.…

Conclusion: Buy AMD. Excellent Linux support with in-tree drivers. For 15 years! A bug is something which will be fixed. Nvidias GPUs are theoretically fast on initial benchmarks. But that’s mostly optimization by others for Nvidia? That’s it. Everything Nvidia has done is a pain. Closed-source drivers (old pain), out of tree-drivers (new pain), ignoring (or actively harming) Wayland (everyone handles implicit sync w…

> Excellent Linux support with in-tree drivers. For 15 years!

Linux support has been excellent on AMD for less than 15 years though. It got really good around 10 years ago, not before.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by imiric »

fluoridation wrote: post #443
imiric wrote: post #215

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> None of their products are competitive We must live in different universes, then. Intel's 140V competes with and often outperforms AMD's 890M, at around half the power consumption.[1] Intel's B580 competes with AMD's RX 7600 and NVIDIA's RTX 4060, at a fraction of the price of the 4060.[2] They're not doing so well with desktop and laptop CPUs, although their Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake CPUs are still decent performe…

No way, man. Peak consumer Intel was from Core 2 up to Skylake-ish. That was when they started coasting and handed the market to AMD. Right now they're losing market share to them on mobile, desktop, and server. If we ignore servers, most PCs have an AMD CPU inside. The GPUs might be competitive on price, but that's about it. It's pretty much a hardware open beta.

Ah, I was thinking of Core 2, but was off by a couple of years. Although "peak" consumer Intel was undeniably in the 90s.

Like I said, Intel may not be market leader in some segments, but they certainly have very competitive products. The fact they've managed to penetrate the dGPU duopoly, while also making huge strides with their iGPUs, is remarkable on its own. They're not leaders on desktops and servers, but still have respectable offerings there.

None of this points to a company that's struggling, but to a healthy market where the consumer benefits. News of two rivals collaborating like this is not positive for consumers.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by bobajeff »

ho_schi wrote: post #428
evanjrowley wrote: post #211

Nvidia's stake in Intel could have terrible consequences. First, it is in Nvidia's interest to kill Intel's Arc graphics, and that would be very bad because it is the only thing brighing GPU prices down for consumers. Second, the death of Intel graphics / Arc would be extremely bad for Linux, because Intel's approach to GPU drivers is the best for compatibility, wheras Nvidia is actively hostile to drivers on Linux.…

Conclusion: Buy AMD. Excellent Linux support with in-tree drivers. For 15 years! A bug is something which will be fixed. Nvidias GPUs are theoretically fast on initial benchmarks. But that’s mostly optimization by others for Nvidia? That’s it. Everything Nvidia has done is a pain. Closed-source drivers (old pain), out of tree-drivers (new pain), ignoring (or actively harming) Wayland (everyone handles implicit sync w…

I once had an mini pc with Nvidia. I got it for Cuda dev. One day the support for it was dropped for it so I was unable to update my system without it messing things up. So regardless of Cuda I decided Nvidia is not for me.

However, doing research when buying a new pc, I've found that AMD kind of sucks too. ROCm isn't even supported on many of the systems i was looking into. Also, I've heard their Linux graphics drivers are poor.

So basically I just rock a potato with Intel integrated graphics now. GPUs cost too much to deal with that nonsense.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by magarnicle »

tracker1 wrote: post #406
xp84 wrote: post #390

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As an Apple user (and even an Apple investor), I'd rather that Apple went out of business back then. If we could re-roll the invention of the (mainstream) smartphone, maybe we'd get something other than two monopolistic companies controlling everything. For instance, maybe if there were 4 strong vendors making the devices with diverse operating systems, native apps wouldn't have ever become important, and the Web pla…

Or... we could still be using blackberry-like devices without much in the way of active/touch interface development at all. Or worse, the Windows CE or Palm with the pen things.

Nah, the LG Prada phone would have taken over the world.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by [deleted] »

InitialLastName wrote: post #339
lobsterthief wrote: post #282

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He didn’t say anything violent. Have you watched the monologue? Even if he did (which he didn’t), I don’t see Fox shutting down anything when one of their presenters recently stated, on air, that we should euthanize our homeless population.

To be clear (not that I agree with this situation): Fox News (where that presenter works) is a cable network, beholden to the cable providers but not a broadcaster. The FCC has relatively little leverage to regulate it, because it does not rely on broadcast licenses. ABC is a broadcast network. It relies on a network of affiliates (largely owned by a few big companies) who selectively broadcast its programming both o…

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Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by mcmcmc »

InitialLastName wrote: post #339
lobsterthief wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn’t say anything violent. Have you watched the monologue? Even if he did (which he didn’t), I don’t see Fox shutting down anything when one of their presenters recently stated, on air, that we should euthanize our homeless population.

To be clear (not that I agree with this situation): Fox News (where that presenter works) is a cable network, beholden to the cable providers but not a broadcaster. The FCC has relatively little leverage to regulate it, because it does not rely on broadcast licenses. ABC is a broadcast network. It relies on a network of affiliates (largely owned by a few big companies) who selectively broadcast its programming both o…

Let’s not pretend that the Trump admin would’ve done anything about it even if they did have leverage. They actively encourage and participate in violent rhetoric when it’s directed towards their perceived enemies. Which includes the homeless.

Re: Nvidia buys $5B in Intel

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Post by lobsterthief »

cactacea wrote: post #312
lobsterthief wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FCC does not have the power to shut down broadcasts based on their content.

Sure seems like they're trying to invent one

Yes, exactly. They’re exercising a power they don’t have, which should not hold up in a lawful country. Obviously, here we are.
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