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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by kelipso » Wed, Sep 10, 2025, 11:45 PM UTC

throwuxiytayq wrote: post #449

kelipso wrote: post #448

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We do need to worry about people losing trust in science because science depends on public funding. And it’s not about complete certainty. It’s that it actually is very difficult to prove genetic heritability vs effects in the womb because you can’t do twin studies, going back to my original comment. Pretending to be more certain about it than reality IS misinformation. When you lie, people believe you less. They don…

> It’s that it actually is very difficult to prove genetic heritability vs effects in the womb because you can’t do twin studies, going back to my original comment. You seem weirdly fixated on this point, and to your rhetorical disadvantage. It is difficult to tell whether you are being accidentally or willfully ignorant. Maternal effects are well-accounted for in research. It is extremely improbable that we’ll ever…

> Maternal effects are well-accounted for in research.

Lol, no it's not. Genetic heritability vs other types of heritability is not accounted for in multiple areas like height and IQ and it seems you are just ignorant of it.

> weirdly fixated

> rhetorical disadvantage

Are you just playing a debate game or having a discussion?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by hrfvbgcc » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 9:02 AM UTC

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> Oh I know that you’re correct, your phrasing was just hilarious. My bad. :P But yeah, I agree. Eastern Europe is on the other spectrum with regarding to opiates. They do not even get prescribed codeine, regardless of severity of pain. You will get naproxen instead along with a possible stroke. :D > context of society I would hope so. According to my experiences here on HN, they (some people) just decided opiates ar…

Acetaminophen related deaths are a few hundred a year in the US. Opiate related deaths in the US have been around 50,000+/yr. I don't personally know anyone who has died from acetaminophen usage or even particularly injured. I personally know several people who had their lives nearly destroyed by opiate abuse, and a few others who have died. And it's not like I'm hanging out with junkies all the time.

Yup. As someone in the US the idea that opiates are “actually really great and safe drugs, just misunderstood!” is insane.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by hrfvbgcc » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 9:05 AM UTC

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Tylenol isn't addictive. Every opiate is. Even as an alcoholic having to get surgery terrifies me because of how addictive opiates is and that is all doctors push now-a-days. eta this is nothing to do with purity of the product. I never heard of someone selling themselves for Tylenol/acetaminophen

That is an oversimplification, and there are many studies out there proving that people receiving opiates at the hospital do not get psychologically addicted to it, if you are talking about that. And surely I am not alone with not experiencing euphoria from opiates. It is probably a low % of people though, I do not deny that. > purity of the product Overdoses and negative public perception does have to do with that t…

Are you sure you are not addicted to opiates?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by johnisgood » Sun, Sep 14, 2025, 7:27 PM UTC

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I do not disagree with that. > if you have the right mix of brain chemistry and genetics, you might be screwed. Right. I experience no euphoria whatsoever from any opiates (in any dose)[1]. Blessing or a curse? I personally call it a blessing because I have an addictive personality so I would get hooked up on it too. It works for my pain and my depression & anxiety, and for that I am grateful, all while not causing e…

I had an opiate after surgery once and the constipation was so bad, it was worse than the pain it was supposed to be treating. I switched to Aleve instead, which was both better at pain management and had fewer side effects.

"an opiate"? You do not get constipation from one pill that is "so bad".

Plus it depends on the opioid. Hydrocodone and oxycodone for example leaves the system pretty quickly (ER, too), and once it does, you can defecate without issues. Morphine on the other hand causes awful constipation but can be treated with proper diet. Hydrate, plum jam, magnesium citrate, or laxatives if serious. You can skip a dose or two so you can defecate.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by johnisgood » Sun, Sep 14, 2025, 7:30 PM UTC

hrfvbgcc wrote: post #452

vel0city wrote: post #427

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Acetaminophen related deaths are a few hundred a year in the US. Opiate related deaths in the US have been around 50,000+/yr. I don't personally know anyone who has died from acetaminophen usage or even particularly injured. I personally know several people who had their lives nearly destroyed by opiate abuse, and a few others who have died. And it's not like I'm hanging out with junkies all the time.

Yup. As someone in the US the idea that opiates are “actually really great and safe drugs, just misunderstood!” is insane.

It is safe when taken as directed, therapeutically. Much safer than NSAIDs. Misuse and abuse is bad, whether it is opiates or anything else.

As someone put it:

> Under the caveats of a competent physician and a completely med-compliant patient, opiates are perfectly safe. Those are enormous caveats though, given the history and prevalence of incompetent physicians and noncompliant patients (at least in the US).

Have you considered that your perception may have been distorted by irresponsible people? Please put that perception aside when comparing the side-effects of opioids and NSAIDs.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by johnisgood » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 9:03 AM UTC

hrfvbgcc wrote: post #453

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That is an oversimplification, and there are many studies out there proving that people receiving opiates at the hospital do not get psychologically addicted to it, if you are talking about that. And surely I am not alone with not experiencing euphoria from opiates. It is probably a low % of people though, I do not deny that. > purity of the product Overdoses and negative public perception does have to do with that t…

Are you sure you are not addicted to opiates?

Physically I am (although not at the moment). Psychologically, I am not. I just have an aversion to pain, depression, anxiety, and incontinence. If you love any of these things, you do you.

If you are asking because I mentioned lack of euphoria, then no. I NEVER experienced euphoria from opiates, ever. Not even the first time I have taken it, and I did take enough of a dose that should have given me euphoria or the feeling of warmth and bliss which I have never experienced.

Why? There could be many reasons, but I suspect it has to do a lot with how psychiatric medications have messed with my brain AND I have brain lesions due to MS.