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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Keep in mind this was written by man. People are being murdered thousands of years later because of the ancient Judea equivalent of 'Harry Potter', and the batshit insane people who still believe it in earnest.

Being dismissive of the Bible is not as cool as you think it is: those who do not study the Bible are doomed to repeat it. I understand the instinct to treat Bronze‑Age literature like fanciful fiction: engineers are wired to put "myth" in one bucket and "hard data" in another. But for better or worse, the Bible isn't just an ancient novel. It's the source code for a huge fraction of the world's legal systems, ethics…

Software engineers are notorious for bikeshedding and pointlessly subjective "holy wars." Any belief in higher capacity for reason than their fellow man is sheer hubris.

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> > why there is no "just stop fighting" option > I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that i live in Canada, literally half a world away. Every street light pole seems to have some sort of "Ceasefire now" sticker on it. I also see similar sentiment in online threads on the topic. I think there is a significant group of people who want Israel to commit to an unconditional ceasefire in Gaza. > We know…

People are arguing for an unconditional ceasefire because innocent people and children are literally starving to death. Many of the people arguing for ceasefire probably wouldn’t be so animated about it if that wasn’t the case, i.e. if Israel was conducting a legal war with targeted strikes. That isn’t the case.

You're responing to me as if my comment disagreed, but i didn't say anything about the "why", just that their exists people who advocate for an unconditional ceasefire. Which i'm sure you'd agree with.

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They may oppose the current arrangement of the government but they don't disagree with the occupation and ethnic cleansing. > Eurasia Poll: 82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-exp...

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PCPSR regularly polls Palestinians about various subjects: https://pcpsr.org/en From memory, around 15% supported one state for historical Palestine from which Jewish settlers would have to leave. Maybe polls about "killing all Jews" are conducted in your country, in other parts of the world they generally aren't...

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Possibly because smart people with expertise, usually hard-won through years of focus and study, make the common fallacy that they are experts in unrelated areas, even if they haven't put in the effort to become experts. Too many secretly believe they're Renaissance polymaths, instead of being humble enough to admit they don't know something.

Really well said. I would even go further and say that the "smart people with expertise" even disagree on matters like this and are operating on imperfect, vague information. Knowing that, it seems even more ridiculous to ask passersby about their opinion on this. Of course you can have an opinion, but keep in mind you're likely operating in 99% fog. Just my two cents.

I love Tetlock's "Super Forecasting" Basically experts only do slightly better than random on predicting in their area of expertise.

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Can you be more specific why you think so? I don't think what the commenter you are responding to said would meet the definition of collective punishment under international law.

Israel is directly causing a mass starvation event in Gaza. Innocent children and women are dying every single day, and if nothing is done soon, scores more will in the near future.

The commenter’s position is that the situation in Gaza is justifiable because Israel had to take action against Hamas.

This is textbook collective punishment: causing suffering to a massive number of people due to the actions of a minority.

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You think Israel would just collapse if the US stopped supporting them?

Who would support Israel? Who’s aircraft carriers would stand by?

The official doctrine of Israel is to nuke the whole region [1] rather than accept anything similar to what has been proposed above.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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No, this was a misquote, but it sounds juicy so it will never stop being passed around on the Internet. Netanyahu cited a completely different verse of the Torah, which was then mischaracterized.

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Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

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> Would you agree that "Palestinians should suffer for what Hamas did" is a decent summary of the view you describe

I'm not the person you are responding to, but sheesh that is an unsympathetic reading of their comment. I do not know if the person you replied to does or does not believe that, but nothing in their comment would imply that.

> I do not pretend to have or be able to gain any knowledge that could help this thousand year conflict.

Well first step would be listening to what people say instead of adding your own interpretations.

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Defending? You mean colonizing. And Israel literally did terrorist attacks on Jews in Arab countries to make them flee to the newly occupied land.

Say whatever you will, but it remains the case that a plurality of Israeli Jewish people are of MENA origin --- Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Tunisia.

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