Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The future is not self-hosted

drewlyton.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

451–459 of 459 posts

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#451

Post by EGreg »

programmernews3 wrote: post #438
EGreg wrote: post #7

This is exactly what I’ve been building for a decade, but it’s not just a “community hosted cloud platform”, it is an entire reimagining of Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, LinkedIn, Telegram and all the other community platforms, for an open source world. Here is an overview of how the payments work: https://qbix.com/ecosystem And here is the software you can try for yourself over a weekend: https://github.com/Qbix If any…

Maidsafe is one of the original crypto grifts that is still going and still hasn't made anything. If the original funders kept their bitcoin they would be comfortably wealthy. Instead this company has wasted bitcoin that would now be worth billions over the past TWENTY years!

What is the grift though?

What did they waste the bitcoin on? The actual project they raised money to do? If the founders became wealthy then it could be said to be a grift, but you just argued the reverse…

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#452

Post by movedx »

nirav72 wrote: post #439
movedx wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be interested to know what you run on your home lab thats assisting with your professional life :)

Two quick examples that I can think from the recent past - I work in a fairly tech conservative IT environment for mid-size industrial company. We're slow to adopt lot of industry trends. So when containers became popular in the mid-2010s, we pretty much stayed away until around 2020-2021. I've been running containers in my home lab for years and had a very grasp of building and deploying containers. So I was able to…

Very cool. Thanks for sharing.

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#453

Post by hollerith »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #345
udev4096 wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good luck being owned. If you don't take the action to safe guard your personal data, no one will. Stop living in a fantasy

Thanks for your concern but all my personal data is perfectly safe. I keep it in an old fashioned thing called a "backup" --- complete with encryption. I maintain 3 copies --- no hosting required. One copy is strapped to my wrist at all times so it is always just as safe as I am --- if not safer. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6784665

The linked page say, "3 pieces to be solvent welded together."

Can you say more? What solvent would I use? What material would I choose to make the parts from? (I would be using a service to print the .stl file.)

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#454

Post by toastal »

bluebarbet wrote: post #406
PKop wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no value to this website if we're talking to LLM's, we can do that on our own. I want to come here to engage directly with other actual people and their brains. Not as an interface to ChatGPT. That's not something to be proud of that you upvoted it. It's not a discussion, unless you think talking to an LLM is a discussion or equivalent to HN. And obviously if this is permitted or rewarded with upvotes it's ju…

>There's no value to this website if we're talking to LLM's we can do that on our own There's at least one value to LLM content: it always outputs correct grammar and punctuation. Unlike this human sentence of yours, which took me two attempts to parse because it's missing a necessary clause separator. But on the substance of your comment, I (generally) agree.

Also it’s LLMs* … apostrophes don’t make words plural

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#455

Post by bluebarbet »

toastal wrote: post #454
bluebarbet wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's no value to this website if we're talking to LLM's we can do that on our own There's at least one value to LLM content: it always outputs correct grammar and punctuation. Unlike this human sentence of yours, which took me two attempts to parse because it's missing a necessary clause separator. But on the substance of your comment, I (generally) agree.

Also it’s LLMs* … apostrophes don’t make words plural

I agree. Tell that to who did it!

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#456

Post by dzikimarian »

scubbo wrote: post #450
dzikimarian wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently I'm utterly insane for years with no consequences. SaaS/cloud providers propagate this FUD 24/7 and then Okta, which should be pinnacle of security gets hacked and has issues with disclosure. Relax. Most companies has security team incapable of operating beyond checklist.

> [it's fine to expose your services to the Internet, there will be] no consequences. > and then Okta, which should be pinnacle of security gets hacked and has issues with disclosure. Pick one. If even the "big boys" can't protect themselves, why do you believe you can?

I think both cases pose similar risk from security standpoint. I'm not perfect, they aren't either. There's a lot of nuance about attack surface, available tech/resources, effort of average employee vs mine etc. But all in all let's call it roughly equal.

I just prefer to host by myself and I think it's perfectly reasonable alternative. Far from "utterly insane".

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#457

Post by illiac786 »

Zacharias030 wrote: post #273
deathanatos wrote: post #162

The author mostly just hand waves away self-hosting. There's an analogy that compares it to suburbia, but unlike the suburbs where you have to drive 40 minutes to get anywhere interesting, … an Internet hosted service is just as accessible , anywhere. It's a vapid analogy. The only substantive argument I can see is that the technology is immature: > Well...without exposing our services to the public internet and forc…

Isn‘t the sweet spot for many things to just „host“ on hetzner or whatever, but not „self-host“ and then trip over the power cable once in a while?

Depends on the reasons you are self hosting.

If you want to be relatively certain hetzner cannot access your data, you need your own server and confidential computing enabled, that’s not cheap anymore.

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#458

Post by brailsafe »

swores wrote: post #392
brailsafe wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impression as a high-schooler (at the time) of what made the iPhone so captivating for others, was that it had Shazam, and all of the features of the iPod touch, and all of the features of iPods before the touch. You could hold your phone up anywhere and learn what song was playing, and as far as I could tell that was basically it; very much a fashion thing like Starbucks (before the unjustified popularity of that…

Not only were there Shazam apps on phones pre the first iPhone, but in the first place Shazam was a service you didn't even need a smartphone for! When I first started using it, they had a telephone number (in the UK, I'm not sure which other countries) to call up while music is playing, and 30 seconds or so later it would text you the song that it detected during the call. I agree that "combining phone with one of t…

That's an interesting bit of history I didn't know about, but my point wasn't that Shazam was a new thing exclusively for the iPhone, but it was among the novelties that helped market it along with the other attributes we agree on. I think the most compelling reason was fashion, not so much technical, because really I didn't know anyone with the very first versions anyway.

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#459

Post by brailsafe »

microtonal wrote: post #326
brailsafe wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impression as a high-schooler (at the time) of what made the iPhone so captivating for others, was that it had Shazam, and all of the features of the iPod touch, and all of the features of iPods before the touch. You could hold your phone up anywhere and learn what song was playing, and as far as I could tell that was basically it; very much a fashion thing like Starbucks (before the unjustified popularity of that…

I had the iPod Touch and iPhone relatively early (well, much earlier than the general population). I don't remember Shazam being important at all, I think I only discovered it a few years later. What blew pretty much everyone away that I showed it is how incredibly smooth web browsing was (remember, there were no apps on the original iPhone and even after that it took a little while for apps to really take off). Most…

I think that's a fair point, but I definitely wasn't speaking from the perspective of even the first iPhone version, more from point where the general population had access to them, and my impression was that they enjoyed the novelties that seemed heavily marketed at the time, Shazam being a very relatable problem for almost everyone.
Post reply on HN