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Are we the baddies?

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Re: Are we the baddies?

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post #346

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Yours is an overly narrow version of price discrimination in which the discrimination is extended to the customer level. If that's what OP meant he should use a less ambiguous description.

The comment you replied to is OP clarifying his description.

OK thanks.

Re: Are we the baddies?

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post #308

The author is metaphorically complaining about seeing alcohol for sale after deciding to go to a bar. Nobody twisted your arm to use Hinge rather than utilize local dating resources like singles meetups, speed dating, and matchmaking services. Or just get a group-oriented hobby and talk to people in real life.

Yeah that's right. If you don't like AI and data-mining just don't use the internet at all, amirite?

To some extent, yes.

Not every internet thing is an abusive app like dating apps or Facebook.

You can just not use those apps.

Re: Are we the baddies?

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Yeah, he got his fame in the mid-2000s when he found a vulnerability in the Playstation 3 OS and some idiot lawyers at Sony sued him for it. He parlayed that into a cool, anti-corporate hacker persona, and then got hired by the most powerful corporations and people on the planet to try to give their tech companies some cool hacker cred. It's honestly a pretty funny career arc. I don't dislike the guy, he found a way…

Nice try. I worked at Facebook for 9 months and left (before vesting any shares) because I didn't agree with the mission, even back in 2012. I worked at Twitter for 5 weeks and left because I realized nothing was going to change (and the good food went away). I don't regret trying at either, but in revealed preferences, I've spent most of my life writing open source software, even if that's not what attracts most med…

Haha, no worries, you're good. But come on, you have to admit it's at least a little funny that the famous Sony/iOS/Android hacker geohotz ended up... working for Facebook and then Elon Musk's X, lol.

Re: Are we the baddies?

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post #323

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Thanks for parroting https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-som...

I am literally replying to an article worded thusly: Someday, people will have to realize we live in a society.

This is obviously written in jest.

Re: Are we the baddies?

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Anyone who hasn’t seen this show - it is brilliant. Such clever satire. Dr Death is also a very apt take on modern technology https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Skl71urqKu0

See also 'Bronze orientation': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyu4u3VZYaQ

Thank you. That was marvellous

Re: Are we the baddies?

#456

I went to Walmart twice last week, Tuesday and Friday. Passed by the chips aisle twice and the price on Friday was over a dollar higher per-bag. They've got those fancy e-ink screen price-tags now and I guess they're doing surge pricing. I'm tired of this shit.

It's called "dynamic pricing" and it's everywhere. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Pricing

Re: Are we the baddies?

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Maybe the endgame is honesty. Not pretending you're several people, or other convoluted ways of misdirection and disguise. Just honestly acknowledge that profiling exists, and explicitly work against it. That should be enough to make any algorithm company that notices something is wrong to trip on its own wires, thinking some more elaborate form of hackery/covertion is being employed. The likelyhood of some company n…

My proposal wasn't that individuals should juggle accounts and cookies in a machine-vs-human game of cat and mouse, but rather that we should rewrite the protocols we use to play that game for us. I don't think there's anything dishonest about that--it's just that making computers lie to each other is the honest work of protecting well-meaning humans from malicious humans. Do you have a different sort of explicitly w…

Just being honest, mostly.

I'll say things I know will get me downvoted.

I'll criticize things that could benefit me if I think they're manipulative.

I won't do alt accounts even if everyone does it.

I think most surveillance and advertisement relies on social dynamics. I attempt to play the algorithms but not the people. Sometimes it will get misunderstood, and that's fine.

Re: Are we the baddies?

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post #448

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Why do you associate tipping with “work harder => more pay,” exactly? I don’t see a clear logical route from “socially-forced customer tipping” to that, at all. If anything; tipping leads us to “leverage information to ensure you get a large amount of high-tipping customers => more pay.” Continuing that logical process, we might realize that “make your coworkers have to deal with the bad tippers => more pay.” Which m…

> But yeah… tipping has very little to do with “work harder => more pay.” You need to examine your logic more. Or just, like… have a few beers with a single person who’s ever worked in a restaurant as an adult. I have had more than a few conversations with tipped service workers. Some are even friends of mine. While a lot of what you say is true (the manipulation of shifts and spotting/monopolizing desirable customer…

I think the case of tips "regulars" does definitely make more sense then in a lot of other situations as the customers can make a good evaluation of their service. But even then a simple per-drink bonus or commission would serve this purpose without shifting the decision and responsibility to customers. The faster and more skilled bartender would naturally receive more orders because they are serving faster and because the patons prefer their drinks.

Re: Are we the baddies?

#459

The issue is the market. These things are possible because of the skewed market. There are far more men than women on dating apps, women don't buy the boosts, etc. So you are paying for exposure in that skewed market. If it were a complete free-for-all then women would get thousands of messages a day and not use the apps at all.

Sperms outnumber eggs by millions to one.

Okay? Men don’t outnumber women millions to one.

Re: Are we the baddies?

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post #253

>But eventually the market will fix this, right? People will feel sick of being manipulated and move elsewhere? You can literally go outside and talk to people. There's no moat around dating apps. Human beings continue to exist in meatspace. I am yet to see a dating app contract that prevents you from being casually approached by strangers. Heck matchmakers still exist.

> You can literally go outside and talk to people. Only in small towns with high trust societies, sadly.

>High trust society.

I usually see this as an anti immigration dogwhistle.

I live in an actual hellhole by these standards.

For 40 years, every refugee or immigrant population was forced to live in my region. Every time the government wanted to do A/B testing on welfare, my region.

When I first wanted to move here I considered that I would need amazing security and reviewed crime stats. OH NO, its a CRIME HOTSPOT. How could I subject myself to that, I would have to live in fear.

Then I turned off "Drug Crimes" in the police statistics, and that completely normalised the results against much richer, whiter suburbs.

If anything we have a greater density of churches, because everyone wants to hear the bible read in their tongue. Theres an islander community just over the main drag from me where twice a year I see like 200 big islander kids dressed in choir costumes being loaded into busses for a big church thing.

My wife literally takes my toddler out for walks unassisted in the middle of the night.

I have no issues talking to people, or being approached by people.

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