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Re: More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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This company really is turning into the new IBM or something. No innovation whatsoever and more and more money squeezing the users. I'm sad they make the only decent laptop out there, for everything else I'm glad to be out their crap wallet garden.

You could say this about all the large tech companies now. They're all just boring Megacorps.

NVIDIA is fairly unique and interesting.

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> It’d be completely sensible to be spooked by that, and conclude that Apple Wallet is tracking you. Wait, there were/are people who believe Apple Wallet doesn't track them in some way?

Yes. Apple has a fairly good user security track record.

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What do you mean start monetizing ? I get adds for their Apple Arcade trial on top of my iOS settings main screen. I really hate Apple - but what's stopping me from moving out of the ecosystem is that nobody else builds shit that works and is on same level. The M Pro series processor is only touchable by that one AMD chip you can't get anywhere. Windows is garbage and Linux is a part time job. Android is even worse i…

As shitty as it is, Chromeos doesnt seem to have a lot bloatware to me.

Does it not have a huge slew of pre-installed Google apps that can't be uninstalled like Android phones?

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Uber violates this. At least as of a few years ago, there was no way to get notifications about driver arrival without also getting special offer and Uber Eats spam notifications periodically. Not only was there no opt-in consent, there was no way to turn them off without disabling the status updates. It's particularly bad when apps with legitimate time-sensitive functionality do this. I denied the app the ability to…

Account > Settings > Communication > Marketing Preferences. Uncheck them all. A bit hidden, but it does work.

I can do better than that. Uninstall it.

It's a 600 MB app and you can log back in using only the iOS password manager. Reinstall it when you need to use it.

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The op wasn’t arguing that there was some moral difference between apple and google. They were arguing an incentive difference. And there is one! If you don’t recognize that you yourself are subject to some sort of distortion field.

Obviously that incentive difference doesn't work. Otherwise Apple would be happy with being paid, while not making users the product. Cable TV is another example of this non-working incentive difference. It just takes longer, because the paying users need to be slowly dragged along into advertisement hell.

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Interesting. I feel like this clause is violated very often by major apps: > Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages.

Uber violates this. At least as of a few years ago, there was no way to get notifications about driver arrival without also getting special offer and Uber Eats spam notifications periodically. Not only was there no opt-in consent, there was no way to turn them off without disabling the status updates. It's particularly bad when apps with legitimate time-sensitive functionality do this. I denied the app the ability to…

So does "Too Good To Go". Missed a pickup notification because I didn't remember having angrily turned off all notifications one day, since they don't have any more fine-grained option.

I let their support know, but they don't care. I guess as long as it still brings in more additional sales than it costs in lost users, it works for them.

This is something I like better on Android: As far as I remember, separate "notification channels" are mandatory there, and deactivating a given one is possible purely from the OS notification UI, without having to dig through inconsistent and hidden in-app options.

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Sounds like he’s been around awhile, might not be as lower-level as you think.

Well, I think it would be odd for an ex-VP to be posting on HN for us plebs.

From chummy nerd fora we arise, and to chummy nerd fora we shall return…

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Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

Apple is an ecosystem company.

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Apple’s MO, at least in recent decades, is to let others blaze the trail into a new space, then do their own version that gets it right. Smartphones were a big deal before the iPhone. People would talk about how they were addicted to checking email on their “crackberries.” But they were niche. You could see that they were going to be big, but they weren’t there yet. Then the iPhone catapulted smartphones from a popul…

Let's hope eink or any other type of outdoors usable display. That's a new market of hundreds of millions of devices they can sell.

I’ve dabbled in a bunch of those. Kindle. Remarkable. Daylight.

The problem is it’s always a great 3rd or 4th device. Not sure there’s a high margin high volume demand for it.

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It's rampant unregulated capitalism that feeds the whole lifecycle: - company started in garage - makes first sales - gets popular - gets investors - becomes huge , changing the world of computing - enshittifies - gets replaced by the next company that was started in a garage somewhere A good system is not one that preserves Apple or IBM or Xerox. A good system is one that allows these companies to come and go, becau…

what regulation exactly would you prefer?

The minimum amount needed to ensure the basic spirit of the law actually happens.

The less regulation and tax you have, the quicker the wheel of innovation above turns.

OTOH, there are some cheap and easy regulations with a large societal return, like pollution regs. These low-hanging fruit should be picked, as long as the fruit-pickers don’t redirect the whole economy towards ever-taller fruit-picking ladders.

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