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Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by fisherjeff » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:13 AM UTC

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #31

tptacek wrote: post #23

I think Netanyahu belongs in prison, and Trump, the less said the better, but: couldn't have happened to a nicer unauthorized weapons-grade uranium enrichment facility dug into the side of a mountain hours outside of population centers. If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading up on the GBU-57 "bunker buster" bomb, because it is some Merrie Melodies Acme brand munitions. It's deliberately as heavy as they c…

It's a shame we got rid of the deal that brought their domestic uranium production to a halt [0]. Trump fucked this all up so badly. [0] https://www.statista.com/chart/23528/irans-stockpile-of--low...

Ah but he’ll get a better deal, just you wait. Did you know he wrote a whole book on deals?

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by riffraff » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:14 AM UTC

BartjeD wrote: post #448

Bombing another country is literally a declaration of war. With explosions. Isn't an act of congress required for this, in the US?

Countries stopped doing declarations of war decades ago, cause you know, war is not something _we_ do, it's something bad people do.

_We_ do special operations, interventions, liberations, preventive strikes, weapon destructions.

Re: U.S. bombs Iranian nuclear sites

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Post by BLKNSLVR » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:15 AM UTC

BartjeD wrote: post #448

Bombing another country is literally a declaration of war. With explosions. Isn't an act of congress required for this, in the US?

The US, as rational thinking US citizens may have thought it to be, no longer exists.

In fact, it may never have actually existed.

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Post by PeterHolzwarth » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:16 AM UTC

BartjeD wrote: post #448

Bombing another country is literally a declaration of war. With explosions. Isn't an act of congress required for this, in the US?

By the body of American legislative tradition, no this is not an act of war. In fact, we haven't declared one since WWII.

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Post by IceHegel » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:17 AM UTC

I voted for Trump. I'd support his impeachment now.

He has betrayed his core by letting Israel suck our country into another Middle Eastern conflict, after promising to do the opposite.

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Post by PeterHolzwarth » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:18 AM UTC

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #407

Could be a good way to boost the economy amidst a trade war while simultaneously doubling-down on protectionism. On the one hand we usually profit from wars, on the other hand we lose trading partners when we do our usual human rights violations shtick. I predict this is a ploy to try to get us into a war, so Trump can have his third term, rejecting calls to step down "because we're at war". It's a little early, but…

On the contrary, nobody wants a nuclear armed Iran. It's been an open not-even-secret for decades that America is very active, on many fronts, in trying to delay or remove Iran's growing capability to create nuclear weapons.

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Post by NekkoDroid » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:19 AM UTC

denkmoon wrote: post #125

The irony being that Iran must get nukes now. It is readily apparent they cannot defend themselves conventionally. Nukes are the ultimate deterrence. This wouldn’t be happening if they had a credible, survivable nuclear deterrence. QED this forces Iran to acquire nukes.

As controversial of a figure he is, the Hasanabi Doctrine at play.

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Post by IceHegel » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:21 AM UTC

BartjeD wrote: post #448

Bombing another country is literally a declaration of war. With explosions. Isn't an act of congress required for this, in the US?

Any reasonable understanding of the term "war" obviously includes bombing a country's strategic military sites.

Today Congressmen's main job is soliciting bribes. I expect they want their name on as few pieces of paper connecting them to a conflict as possible. They are not in charge of the government.

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Post by PeterHolzwarth » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:21 AM UTC

TheAlchemist wrote: post #396

And now what ? If the current regime stays in power, it's pretty much a guarantee that they will pursue nuclear weapons by all means available, in the future. If the US / Israel want to topple the regime... that worked really well in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afganistan.... Also, isn't it really illegal for a US president to authorize a strike like this without Congress ?

No, it is not illegal for a US president to authorize strikes like this. American hasn't formally declared war since WWII.

Iran has been pursuing nuclear weapons for decades - and no one, especially no one in the middle east - wants a nuclear armed Iran. America and its partners - and quite often its not-partners - have been working to stop Iranian uranium enrichment for a very long time.

As for "guarantees they will pursue nuclear weapons by all means" -- that's the point: they've already been doing so nonstop for decades.

In much of the middle east, Iran is detested, and a nuclear armed Iran is deeply feared throughout the region. Iran with nukes means the rest of the middle east will feel compelled to pursue nuclear weapons as well. Again, in vast swaths of the middle east, Iran is considered an enemy.

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Post by benrutter » Sun, Jun 22, 2025, 5:22 AM UTC

hearsathought wrote: post #297

tptacek wrote: post #23

I think Netanyahu belongs in prison, and Trump, the less said the better, but: couldn't have happened to a nicer unauthorized weapons-grade uranium enrichment facility dug into the side of a mountain hours outside of population centers. If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading up on the GBU-57 "bunker buster" bomb, because it is some Merrie Melodies Acme brand munitions. It's deliberately as heavy as they c…

> I think Netanyahu belongs in prison Didn't Netanyahu perjure himself to congress about iraq's wmds two decades? Isn't that grounds for arrest? It's amazing how our media never mentions that netanyahu is a habitual liar when they push netanyahu's iran's wmds spiel. At this point our media companies are israel's PR department. Fox news should be banned like RT for being a foreign mouthpiece.

> Isn't that grounds for arrest?

Maybe, but worth saying the ICC have issued a warrant for Netanyahu for war crimes. The reason he hasn't been arrested is:

- The ICC is just a court, not a police department. Only countries have those, and while Netanyahu is in Israel, his own police probably won't arrest him.

- Authoritarian governments like Trump, Orban, Putin are actively undermining the ICC, which makes enforcement even less likely.