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Re: Material 3 Expressive

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CSS supports replacing cursor images natively. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/cursor

In this case it looks like they didn't just want an image though, they wanted the cursor to invert the color of whatever part of the web page it's over, and to seamlessly morph into a selection highlight whenever you mouse over certain controls. Seems like that's a lot harder to make performant.

You can do that by changing the cursor icon for the elements in question. The CSS rule does support per-element swapping (because of course it does, that’s how a text input has a bar but a button has a pointer).

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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As someone who works in UX, I admire all the work the Google UX team puts into Material: tons of documentation, UI kits, theme generation tools, a lot of thinking on systematizing the color combinations, etc. However, this article has a lot of "Pepsi Logo" vibes ( https://www.scribd.com/document/541500744/Pepsi-Arnell-02110... ). I never confirmed if this was a hoax, but it was made into many news websites at the tim…

But it has a 30% increase in the key attribute of “rebelliousness”!

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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I genuinely would not hire an ex-Google designer for my startup. These metrics are so nonsensical: > We found a 32% increase in subculture perception, which indicates that expressive design makes a brand feel more relevant and “in-the-know.” Show me metrics that move something tangible, like conversion rates. If you can't do that, we both know why.

Even if you take that kind of nonsense surveying at face value, the issue is that you're then optimizing for design that has an initial 'wow' factor, and not optimizing for enduring design that will be pleasant to use 1,000x times over. Pepsi often beats Coke in blind taste tests because it has a sweeter first sip. Hardly anyone prefers actually drinking Pepsi.

> Hardly anyone prefers actually drinking Pepsi.

You take that back.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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It's not just a laggy mouse. I scrolled through half a page of a completely black screen. On a high powered machine with lots of bandwidth and low latency. The designers here have lost the plot.

Working perfectly fine in LibreWolf on macOS. Huh.

The cursor was laggy for about 10-15 seconds on my M4 Max after the page loaded, my only sin is probably not using Chrome.

34% modernity, 32% subculture, 30% rebelliousness made me cringe.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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> However, this article has a lot of "Pepsi Logo" vibes So wildly successful that we're all still talking about it even though they don't even use that logo any more?

I'm not sure we're talking about it because it was successful, I think we're talking about it because the design document for it was insane: https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...

What is the point of branding but to be remembered? It worked!

Re: Material 3 Expressive

#459

Oh my god, this is ugly as fuck. It reminds me a study about the perception of beauty among students of arts. Before they start their studies, their perception of beauty is similar to everyone's. But as they go through their course, their perception starts to shift. What they see as "beautiful" doesn't match the perception of others. They learn what "skeuomorphism" is, and suddenly everything must be flat and undiffe…

Christopher Alexander’s “Notes on the Synthesis of Form” blames this phenomenon for the crimes of architecture schools of late.

He calls it a craft becoming “self-conscious,” i.e. the architect’s role is not to create a place to live, but to be an architect, which necessarily entails “competing” against other architects. Nobody wins design competitions by creating the 1000th example of a tried and true form, they do it by pushing the boundaries of other architects’ sensibilities, which are already far afield of a normal person’s. Most results are therefore complete garbage.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

I only came here to rant about how no one should mess with my mouse cursor.

I'm with you there.

People complain about how crap UX is now, and how computer illiterate the general populace has become but I firmly place the blame on forcing the web into an application delivery platform, abandoning all operating system HIG and conventions so that every app is now it's own unique snowflake that breaks conventions.

IMO people would struggle less if it was all native apps that followed the OS. You learn your operating system's conventions and shortcuts, and those translate into every app you run - but then marketing people got their hands in things, and suddenly everything had to be branded and unique, and we are worse off for it.

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