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Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by enragedcacti »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #21
medhir wrote: post #15

once again will ask why iPhones are treated any differently from other computing devices — we need legislative solutions that allow consumers to load software (or even other operating systems) on any computing device they own. restricting software distribution on any platform under the guise of needing to be kept “secure” always seemed anticompetitive to me - that should apply regardless of Apple’s particular behavio…

Get ready to answer why an iPhone is different than an xbox

One way that they are different is that the xbox does let you sideload:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/...

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by Wobbles42 »

dbetteridge wrote: post #150
brudgers wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t arrest a fictitious person.

Why not? If a company is a person, it can go in jail. Freeze their ability to do anything above basic life support without the permission of the judge or court.

Freeze their ability to do anything period. Physically lock the incorporation documents in a prison cell. They won't need to do "basic life support", the documents will be provided with trays of food, water, and adequate opportunities for exercise by the prison facility. If they need more than that, they can petition their former customers to send money to their prison commissary account for the purchase of snacks, toiletries and such.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by Wobbles42 »

randunel wrote: post #207
brudgers wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t arrest a fictitious person.

A fictitious person's executives and directors are typically real. Or, if fictitious as well, go down the rabbit hole of said contractors until you finally find the real ones. In the country I'm from, each exec gets a partial sentence in accordance with their contribution to the criminal act. And no, the total amount on years in prison needn't match the total, there's a minimum and also percentages always exceed 100%…

Careful. The real humans at the bottom of that rabbit hole are the individual shareholders. That is the real root of this problem -- the people that ultimately profit from this behavior (a group that, ironically, almost certainly includes the judge in this case, and most of the people in this thread) have no responsibility whatsoever.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by poincaredisk »

jkestner wrote: post #133
dfedbeef wrote: post #124

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Oh no, my word means nothing to honest people. Boards private jet to Monaco

Yet these superrich people crave respect so much that they endlessly poast on social networks, or buy a social network.

>these superrich people crave respect so much

Don't we all? This is one of the very basic human needs. Since they don't need to worry about food and shelter, they focus on social status and entertainment.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by hajile »

nobleach wrote: post #368
hajile wrote: post #340

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In practical terms, you can't without switching to another company with an android variant that is just as bad.

I'm guessing the poster is referring to AOSP and custom ROMs. If so, yes, it is entirely possible, but not something I'd expect any normal human being to do.

Not all phones allow custom ROMs and most that do completely void your warranty. Doing it yourself is a complete non-starter for at least 95% of the population.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by delusional »

jim201 wrote: post #432

I am concerned that the App Store has become the norm. For many young people, iPhones and iPads have been their only computer. Many have never seen a world where app developers can distribute independently. The NYT had an article out about ruling, and the number of people supporting the App Store was astounding. I think Apple has done a great job marketing the App Store as the reason for the security/UX of their plat…

> when in reality, it's the OS

I disagree. Application developers have always been absolutely terrible at packaging. We see this all the time on linux, where publishers just fail to follow the packaging standard of the system, and instead develop an "installer" for their special little snowflake application. The OS cannot save you from that unless you also control distribution and can tell that publisher "you don't get to publish to my very valuable user group if you don't follow my rules".

Publishers have shown time and time again that if given a permission system, they'll just ask for every single permission under the sun, unless somebody stops them from doing that. The user sure isn't. They'll run whatever garbage installer script the publisher gives them because they want the application.

I don't like Apple's monopolistic behavior. I personally believe it would be a great service to the western world to break apart Big Tech, but the incentives that drive application development ARE broken. Apple has good reason to try and fix that with the app store, they just don't get to do it by running a monopoly.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by parhamn »

jim201 wrote: post #432

I am concerned that the App Store has become the norm. For many young people, iPhones and iPads have been their only computer. Many have never seen a world where app developers can distribute independently. The NYT had an article out about ruling, and the number of people supporting the App Store was astounding. I think Apple has done a great job marketing the App Store as the reason for the security/UX of their plat…

I like this decision. But I also like that I can cancel all my IAP subs in the settings quickly. Maybe stripe could set up consumer accounts to do the same.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by poincaredisk »

Wobbles42 wrote: post #453
randunel wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fictitious person's executives and directors are typically real. Or, if fictitious as well, go down the rabbit hole of said contractors until you finally find the real ones. In the country I'm from, each exec gets a partial sentence in accordance with their contribution to the criminal act. And no, the total amount on years in prison needn't match the total, there's a minimum and also percentages always exceed 100%…

Careful. The real humans at the bottom of that rabbit hole are the individual shareholders. That is the real root of this problem -- the people that ultimately profit from this behavior (a group that, ironically, almost certainly includes the judge in this case, and most of the people in this thread) have no responsibility whatsoever.

Because they're not responsible? We (shareholders) pay executives to manage the companies. This means doing what is best for the company, not committing crimes.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by jnwatson »

jim201 wrote: post #432

I am concerned that the App Store has become the norm. For many young people, iPhones and iPads have been their only computer. Many have never seen a world where app developers can distribute independently. The NYT had an article out about ruling, and the number of people supporting the App Store was astounding. I think Apple has done a great job marketing the App Store as the reason for the security/UX of their plat…

> it's the OS. It's the OS that requires apps to get permission before accessing my location, it's the OS that isolates apps from each other, it's the OS that provides an easy way to install/uninstall packages.

Sorry, you're just wrong. Only by analyzing the apps can Apple enforce several policies that many folks think contribute to users' security.

The prohibition against dynamic code, lying about the reason that an app needs a certain permission, and all the trust and safety policies are all stuff an OS can't do.

Re: Apple violated antitrust ruling, judge finds

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Post by minraws »

jnwatson wrote: post #459
jim201 wrote: post #432

I am concerned that the App Store has become the norm. For many young people, iPhones and iPads have been their only computer. Many have never seen a world where app developers can distribute independently. The NYT had an article out about ruling, and the number of people supporting the App Store was astounding. I think Apple has done a great job marketing the App Store as the reason for the security/UX of their plat…

> it's the OS. It's the OS that requires apps to get permission before accessing my location, it's the OS that isolates apps from each other, it's the OS that provides an easy way to install/uninstall packages. Sorry, you're just wrong. Only by analyzing the apps can Apple enforce several policies that many folks think contribute to users' security. The prohibition against dynamic code, lying about the reason that an…

If you think there are zero scam/malicious/malwares/etc apps on Play Store or App Store.

I have a mountain I would like to sell ya.

I am not agreeing with the other guy that it's OS.

But App Store is hardly more safe than the usual internet. Stuff...

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