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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by watwut »

fallingknife wrote: post #379
davidw wrote: post #348

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> I generally agree with Musk's politics Children are dying in Africa as a direct result of his actions right now. https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/04/14/g-s1-...

Where are all the other concerned countries stepping in to help since the US has left? Why is the US the only country that is considered responsible for the problems of foreign countries while every other country is given the luxury of focusing only on their domestic affairs?

US was giving less percentage of their GDP on foreign aid the other western countries.

Americans consistently overestimate how much is USA helping others.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by jaimex2 »

I didn't see any of this whingeing when Biden was making EV incentives that blatantly excluded Tesla.

This is what happens when you go along with lawfare or weaponized government.

The canon gets turned around and pointed the other way soon enough.

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Post by vkou »

lenkite wrote: post #442
vkou wrote: post #394

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I'd categorize Elon as more of a free speech ideologue who bans any speech that makes him uncomfortable.

What speech that makes him uncomfortable has he banned exactly ? Asking out of curiosity because I see posts on twitter all the time calling him Nazi, blah-blah.

X will happily ban you for saying 'cisgender'. But since enforcement is inconsistent and opaque it provides plausible deniability.

It's much in the same vein that Putin allows a few token 'opposition' politicians to exist.

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Post by simiones »

parrit wrote: post #405
istjohn wrote: post #353

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Wilhoit's Law: > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: > There must be in-groups whom the law protectes but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. https://crookedtimber.org/2018/03/21/liberals-against-progre...

That doesn't apply to Trump. s/law/what actually goes down/

Trump and his administration have explicitly directly claimed that they are the law, at least in as much as the executive branch should believe. They gave an executive order instructing every employee and official of the executive that they shall wholly and exclusively defer to the interpretation of the law as dictated by the president.

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Post by vlovich123 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #429
vlovich123 wrote: post #413

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> GM, Ford, and other companies have chimed in positively. Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours, I’m not so sure I read too much into anyone praising the policies of this government as it’s clear that companies are erring on the side of staying on this governments good graces publicly regardless of personal opini…

> Given how Amazon tried to start showing the cost of the tariffs on their site, Trump publicly threatened them, and they backed down with hours... The facts: - There was a report that Amazon was going to begin showing prices - Amazon clarified that was for their low-cost Amazon Haul site, not their main one - The White House griped about them at a press briefing - There were reports Trump called Bezos The whole thin…

Amazon has backed off on doing it for Haul after Trump’s press secretary publicly flamed them invoking a direct conversation with him:

> “The team that runs our ultra low cost Amazon Haul store considered the idea of listing import charges on certain products,” Amazon spokesperson Tim Doyle said in a statement. “This was never approved and is not going to happen.”

> Trump told reporters Tuesday afternoon that Bezos “was very nice, he was terrific” during the call and “he solved the problem very quickly.” He added that Bezos is “a good guy.”

If this had already started being leaked to the press I doubt that it “wasn’t going to happen” and was likely past exec review at that point. Then Trump calls Bezos and Bezos overrules the team and PR damage control as if this was some rogue action. Of course it’s pure speculation but it fits the timeline of events we know about better and we know this administration is a completely unreliable narrator as evidenced time and time again (from Trump continuing to lie claiming a photoshopped photo with ms13 overlayed was actually his tattoos to claiming he’s spoken to the Chinese leader with China disputing that any conversations have been had)

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/29/amazon-considers-displaying-...

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Post by lenkite »

vkou wrote: post #453
lenkite wrote: post #442

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What speech that makes him uncomfortable has he banned exactly ? Asking out of curiosity because I see posts on twitter all the time calling him Nazi, blah-blah.

X will happily ban you for saying 'cisgender'. But since enforcement is inconsistent and opaque it provides plausible deniability. It's much in the same vein that Putin allows a few token 'opposition' politicians to exist.

There are tens of thousands of posts with the word "cisgender" at the moment on X. So, I think this "ban" is currently only in one's febrile imagination. Putin does not allow tens of thousands of opposition politicians, so the analogy also does not hold.

Its an extremely big difference from the Biden era where any post critical of the vaccine and backed up with papers was taken down pronto. This was even confirmed in several senate hearings.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/zuckerberg-biden-administra...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/10/mark-zuckerberg-says-biden-p...

As a non-American, I was very happy when Musk bought out twitter - it was ridiculous being unable to criticize vaccines - you couldn't even articulate the Indian government's stance on Pfizer and how Pfizer refused to provde test data. "Freedom of speech" was utterly non-existent in that era.

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Post by mrweasel »

rectang wrote: post #117
nostromo wrote: post #89

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Trump is in no way a free market ideologue and has made that very clear. Or are you talking about Elon?

The wider Trump administration, and Musk in particular for his DOGE work which has included firing regulatory enforcers.

In terms of tariffs you're normally either a "protectionist" or for "free trade". That's sort of the two sides of that argument. There is some middle ground, but those are the extremes. It is not really related to regulations, that's more if you believe that the market is able to regulate itself, in terms of environmental impact, fair wages, safety and those sorts of things. The latter is the things which are impacted by firing regulatory enforces, or removing regulation altogether.

The Trump administration seems to run a protectionist policy, with a deregulated home market. This will hurt exports as it makes products more expensive, but also less likely to be able to comply with the regulations of other markets, e.g. in the EU, which is heavily regulated. US companies have a reduced incentive to comply with EU rules, if they know they have a protected market at home they can milk instead.

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Post by akoboldfrying »

dboreham wrote: post #365
akoboldfrying wrote: post #218

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> Integrity, honesty, and principles is literally what they mean by the word "woke" No it isn't, and saying things like this just adds noise. What they mean by the word "woke" is a worldview that delegitimises the things they aspire to or worked hard for (status based on power based on individual agency), and prioritises other forms of social currency (victimisation by external forces) in a way they find performative…

Didn't you just say exactly the same thing as the parent comment?

I can't tell if this is trolling.

If you genuinely don't think that each side has principles, which in fact overlap considerably, you aren't very curious about the world.

ETA: In case you are genuinely interested in learning about how liberal and conservative people differ psychologically, Jonathan Haidt is a very good person to read.

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Post by kevinventullo »

jongjong wrote: post #315
CoastalCoder wrote: post #311

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I'd argue that keeping Musk wealthy is contrary to the interests of most Americans.

I disagree. I agree that the system shouldn't be creating so many billionaires. It's a flaw in the system. But Musk is among the best of them IMO and his contrarian position makes him essential, even if you disagree with him and his politics. There needs to be opposing forces among the elite or else we're sure to walk down the path of totalitarianism. I generally agree with Musk's politics but I wouldn't want all bil…

Full consensus is evil incarnate

So when there’s broad agreement that something is a good idea like, I don’t know, making sure the water is drinkable, your reaction to that is it’s “evil incarnate”?

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Post by [deleted] »

bunderbunder wrote: post #211
intermerda wrote: post #25

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You can extend the "free market ideologues" to include more groups such as those who were very concerned about free speech for exactly four years from 2021-2024. Same people were concerned about politicization of justice department, but only when certain Presidents are in office. Same goes for "respect for constitution". "Family values" was abandoned quite a while ago. Wilhoit’s Law has never been truer.

I have come to believe that many people's political attitudes can be boiled down to a single uniting element: an overwhelming fear that other people might do to them the kinds of things that they would absolutely do to other people if given half a chance.

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