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Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by harshitaneja »

jetbalsa wrote: post #144
harshitaneja wrote: post #126

My experience with Kagi was not as positive as everyone else's here. I didn't find the search results to be better and perhaps that's because I am used to google foo to extract decent results there. So I made Kagi my default engine everywhere and used it exclusively for more than a month before giving up. The response time for search results isn't too long but that difference from google's response time, which I had…

Daily user for a few years now, the response times have not gotten that much better, but I do like the assistant feature of their higher tiers so I've stayed on for now.

Assistant was surprisingly useful. In a couple of occasions I had it find me research papers I didn't know existed for a problem I had been working on for long. However the realization for me was that I shouldn't neglect search abilities of the LLMs I was already paying for. I tried to replace my Claude and ChatGPT subscriptions with Assistant but the usage limits were too low for me. And for the cases where I wanted to use long context of Gemini models, the assistant had an arbitrary limit of only 32k I think.

However for those where it can work, I think Kagi Ultimate is a great deal.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by greazy »

timothevs wrote: post #82
greazy wrote: post #75

I have at least one kagi 3 month trial link. If anyone wants it, reply below :)

That would be very kind, if you still have it available. I have been on the fence - skeptical as is my nature, but I wonder if I am in the wrong here :)

Here you go

https://kagi.com/p/TREATEE2F6493

Hope you see this!

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by freefrog334433 »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #289
idiotsecant wrote: post #242

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10 dollars is like, a sandwich. Access to your search engine for a month is less useful than a sandwich?

Kagi isn't competing against no access to a search engine, it's competing against Google, DDG, etc etc which are free (or more specifically, you could say ads are the cost). Kagi needs to not just be worth $10, but also worth ($10 - ads) more than the alternatives.

I got a family subscription after saving on hotel bookings after using google, which impressed my wife. I like it for my children because not only does it return age appropriate results, there is no advertising targeting children. It works out $20/month for 6 people, a Christmas present for my sisters, mother and nephew that keeps giving.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by latexr »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #340
rafram wrote: post #258

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If you already have ffmpeg, you shouldn't need an LLM to write `ffmpeg -i video.avi video.mp4`.

If there is perhaps just _one_ thing that we can all admit that LLM's are good at, it should be bash one-liners for common tasks. Which is to say, I highly recommend using an LLM for exploring commands to run in a terminal. Once past the learning curve, it is a good way to avoid dozens to hundreds of cryptic short-options (just ask for only long options).

> If there is perhaps just _one_ thing that we can all admit that LLM's are good at, it should be bash one-liners for common tasks.

Sorry to disappoint, but no can do on that agreement. The web is full of bad advice for shell scripting one liners, because too many people fumble their way to a semi-workable inefficient solution for their specific problem, then instead of attempting to refine it and make it better by removing extraneous options they publish it as is to a blog post or gist. The result is that LLMs ingest a lot of subpar commands.

I’ve tested this many times. It is rare that an LLM returns me a one-liner that I can’t immediately see how to improve.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by timothevs »

greazy wrote: post #453
timothevs wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be very kind, if you still have it available. I have been on the fence - skeptical as is my nature, but I wonder if I am in the wrong here :)

Here you go https://kagi.com/p/TREATEE2F6493 Hope you see this!

Very kind - thank you! I think I was a bit late or it expired. But it did prompt me to set up an account which I had been putting off. Haha, now off to explore Kagi with my 100 searches to see what it has to offer.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by coldpie »

petepete wrote: post #445
coldpie wrote: post #298

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> It is that I no longer have to waste my time filtering out Google customers paying for my attention. Can you explain what this means in more detail? (To be clear, I'm not trying to be adversarial, I'm asking for a sales pitch :) )

Google's customers are the companies who pay them to place adverts in search results. The results page includes them and it's not always clear at a glance which results are promoted/paid. Kagi makes this a non-issue.

I use an ad blocker.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by toxik »

lillecarl wrote: post #398
Thrymr wrote: post #387

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The nature of subscriptions is that you keep paying for them forever whether you're eating them or not. Maybe you forgot about your sandwiches and they're just piling up on your doorstep.

Kagi implemented automatic pausing on your subscription if you don't use it, so it's actually not the same here.

I think Kagi being nice is not a valid argument for accepting lots of low-cost subscriptions in your life.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by lillecarl »

toxik wrote: post #459
lillecarl wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi implemented automatic pausing on your subscription if you don't use it, so it's actually not the same here.

I think Kagi being nice is not a valid argument for accepting lots of low-cost subscriptions in your life.

Sure, but Kagi is one of the ones you'll get the value back out of. And if you don't use it you don't pay.

I only subscribe to Spotify, YouTube and Kagi as "online services". Video media I happily sail the seas for and I don't mind evil megacorps "losing" money on my behalf.

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