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The effect of deactivating Facebook and Instagram on users' emotional state

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Post by milesrout »

jpc0 wrote: post #366
polar8 wrote: post #139

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After socialization comes drunk driving which alone kills a quarter million people annually.

Here the legal limit is approximately 2 440ml cans or a draft of beer. If you are drinking more than that across an evening I would argue it's a bit more than socialising. Maybe where you are from people are heavy drinkers and are not responsible enough to not slow down a fee hours before you know you will be driving but I feel like the quarter a million annually is quite overrepresented by heavy drinkers.

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Re: The effect of deactivating Facebook and Instagram on users' emotional state

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Post by milesrout »

intended wrote: post #217
milesrout wrote: post #103

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The result of a purely chronological feed is that you have to scroll through 10 posts from the same person and never see anything from people that post good content rarely. Plenty of people like and enjoy "algorithmic feeds". I can enjoy occasionally scrolling through a feed. Banning it is like banning alcohol because there are alcoholics in society. If you can't handle it, switch it off.

Alcohol consumption is gated behind age laws. There are society level effects based on the consumption of several goods and services. Gambling, alcohol, drugs, for example. The individuals story, in aggregate, mm impacts, over and over, has effects that we must address when arguing for the optimal friction for that good.

Scrolling on social media isn't like any of those things.

Re: The effect of deactivating Facebook and Instagram on users' emotional state

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Post by Zambyte »

ay wrote: post #446
Zambyte wrote: post #240

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Bluesky has felt like the healthiest experience I have ever had with social media. I don't really use any algorithmic feeds (though I have been toying with building my own), just my following feed.

I find the algorithmic topical feeds nicely solve the problem of discovery for me. There’s a lot of people who are experts in their fields, totally different to mine (e.g. astronomy, physics, photography etc) which makes it interesting for me.

Yeah, I'm sure they're useful! I have just found myself in a neat community, and I have > 700 followers and followers (mostly mutual), so I haven't really felt a need for discovery. I usually just find people through replies to people I know already at this point.

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Post by noduerme »

viccis wrote: post #444
noduerme wrote: post #436

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>I think you have a blind spot to the fact that the war has been an excuse for people to go after Jews I don't think antisemites have ever needed excuses to justify their conduct to themselves or others. And I have yet to see any outcomes for Jews in the US or UK that even approach the consequences that Arabs and those who have vocally opposed Israel's actions have faced. >The very first thing I heard from most of th…

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Post by ay »

Zambyte wrote: post #453
ay wrote: post #446

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I find the algorithmic topical feeds nicely solve the problem of discovery for me. There’s a lot of people who are experts in their fields, totally different to mine (e.g. astronomy, physics, photography etc) which makes it interesting for me.

Yeah, I'm sure they're useful! I have just found myself in a neat community, and I have > 700 followers and followers (mostly mutual), so I haven't really felt a need for discovery. I usually just find people through replies to people I know already at this point.

Nice! That’s the beautiful part - everyone can shape it according to how they like, and be comfortable with that.

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Post by viccis »

noduerme wrote: post #454
viccis wrote: post #444

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>I think you have a blind spot to the fact that the war has been an excuse for people to go after Jews I don't think antisemites have ever needed excuses to justify their conduct to themselves or others. And I have yet to see any outcomes for Jews in the US or UK that even approach the consequences that Arabs and those who have vocally opposed Israel's actions have faced. >The very first thing I heard from most of th…

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>Firstly, this thread is exactly about how I've felt racially scrutinized and suspect

I'm actually not talking about thoughts and feelings at all. I'm talking about domestic murders, deportations, and similar violence both from the state and from vigilantes.

>any pro-Israel opinion which is verboten in my neighborhood

This, and the massive shift against Israel among every demographic, is a result of a well publicized series of atrocities, a series that dwarfs the 725 civilians killed during the Gazan military's Operation Al-Aqsa Flood operation in both scope and cruelty.

>Extra points for simultaneously taking away the agency of all Arabs everywhere.

It's not a matter of agency, it's a matter of power. They still have agency, and the power structure I am talking about isn't contingent; it's categorical given its racialized nature.

>You seem to understand them so well.

I do, yes.

>Tell us what they all think.

None of my categorical statements have concerned the subjectivity of Arabs, only the objective contingencies with which they are presented. Plenty of them have chosen not to hide their opinions, and they are currently being tracked and rounded up in the US as a consequence.

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Post by ay »

projectazorian wrote: post #450
ay wrote: post #443

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The solution is trivial: just be polite and respectful to others. Everyone is entitled to say their opinion. Nobody is entitled to force others listen to it. It’s quite simple, really.

I was always polite and respectful on Twitter and still wound up on a blocklist. So did many others. There was no notification or explanation provided and no recourse, I just suddenly found myself blocked from various accounts to the extent it degraded the utility of the platform. Lots of people on the left love to be little commissars, and this sort of thing provides a perfect opportunity. The implication of your st…

If they blocked you, evidently you didn’t clear the bar for them, and even if it was some completely lunatic reason - you have to respect their right to not talk to you, however lunatic it looks for you.

Now, if their blocklists were popular - either they weren’t lunatics or there was a crowd of lunatics. Now, why would you worry about not talking with a crowd of lunatics ?

But, regardless - again - nobody is entitled to an interaction with those that don’t want it, directly or by proxy.

Baffles me, why is it so hard to understand this ?

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Post by ninkendo »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #417
kleiba wrote: post #166

I'm certainly an anomaly but since to me the downsides of social media have always been quite prominent and seemed to outweigh the benefits by a margin, I never jumped on the social media train. But I've got to say, it's getting harder and harder to keep that up. As our kids get older especially, almost all of their social activities are somehow tied to social media one way or the other: no matter what they're joinin…

Are you in the US? No one uses whatsapp in the US. This would have been done as an sms groupchat in all likelihood. Everything friends plan is on sms these days. Maybe its my generation, we don’t like signing up for accounts anymore when everyone can trivially text.

Your comment made me breathe a sigh of relief, because my kids are rapidly approaching “I need to communicate with their friends’ parents” age, and I don’t think I have it in me to sign up for WhatsApp. I’m in the US and I’m ok just texting. iOS supports RCS now, it’s good enough.

I actually took the time to sign up for WhatsApp just now to see how it works nowadays, and it’s still the same as it was before: nags you to no end to enable full Contacts access (no, Meta, I’m not letting you dump my entire contacts database into your app so that you can data mine it). iOS lets you select a minimal set of contacts to give it, but if you do this, it still shows you a full screen saying to enable full contacts access before it will let you contact anyone. No thanks. (I deleted my account immediately again, maybe I’ll try again in another 5 years.)

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Post by projectazorian »

ay wrote: post #457
projectazorian wrote: post #450

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I was always polite and respectful on Twitter and still wound up on a blocklist. So did many others. There was no notification or explanation provided and no recourse, I just suddenly found myself blocked from various accounts to the extent it degraded the utility of the platform. Lots of people on the left love to be little commissars, and this sort of thing provides a perfect opportunity. The implication of your st…

If they blocked you, evidently you didn’t clear the bar for them , and even if it was some completely lunatic reason - you have to respect their right to not talk to you, however lunatic it looks for you . Now, if their blocklists were popular - either they weren’t lunatics or there was a crowd of lunatics. Now, why would you worry about not talking with a crowd of lunatics ? But, regardless - again - nobody is entit…

People can do whatever they want. I simply observed that this is a toxic practice that reinforces my decision to stay away from the platform. Entitlement has nothing to do with it, and I don’t appreciate the implication of your statement.

(You do know that blocking removes the ability to view posts, not just interact with them, right?)

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Post by steveBK123 »

aaronbaugher wrote: post #334
steveBK123 wrote: post #82

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There's something about the social media influencer industrial complex that short circuits women's brains worse, as far as I can tell. Most of my friends quit social media years to a decade ago but our wives are all on it. Men seem to get sucked into Youtube wormholes instead. I think the only way out is cold turkey. The number of conversations my wife starts with telling me about some distant acquaintances recent va…

When my girlfriend told me on our first date that she doesn't use social media, I nearly proposed on the spot. And even she does some doom-scrolling though news sites. She claims to know it's mostly nonsense, and then says she has to do it to know what's going on. I try not to point out the contradiction too much, because she does limit it pretty well.

There may be an apparent contradiction but I think she's right. You want to know the gist of whats being reported so that you know directionally what is going on / what other people may be talking about.

That is - you don't need to read 18 different articles about how Pete the drunk defense secretary (and probable assaulter/abuser) likes to text on his personal phone about war plans (including to non-govt officials), but when you see the article pop up in enough of the less biased news places you browse, you get the idea that it's true & bad.

Generally I find business news like FT/Bloomberg/CNBC and (if you ignore the opinion section) WSJ are best for the less-biased news sourcing.

I also browse a bit of known-biased news on each side to understand what each side is going to talk about (and makes it clearer what each side may be BSing about). This is helpful so I don't get jumped by some of my more left/right wing nut social circle when discussing a topic with a known-false partisan argument (as 99% of people just repeat what they see in their-sides news).

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