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Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by lytedev »

rockwotj wrote: post #409
hiciu wrote: post #367

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It looks the same, but for some reason Claude Code is much more capable. Codex got lost in my source code and hallucinated bunch of stuff, Claude on the same task just went to town, burned money and delivered. Of course, this is only my experience and codex is still very young. I really hope it becomes as capable as Claude.

Part of it is probably tgat claude is just better at coding than what openai has available. I am considering trying to hack in support for gemini into codex and play around with it.

I was doing this last night with open-codex, a fork. https://github.com/ymichael/open-codex

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by simonw »

minimaxir wrote: post #139

One hidden note from Gemini 2.5 Flash when diving deep into the documentation: for image inputs, not only can the model be instructed to generated 2D bounding boxes of relevant subjects, but it can also create segmentation masks! https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/image-understanding#se... At this price point with the Flash model, creating segmentation masks is pretty nifty. The segmentation masks are a bit of a g…

This is SO cool. I built an interactive tool for trying this out (bring your own Gemini API key) here: https://tools.simonwillison.net/gemini-mask

More details plus a screenshot of the tool working here: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Apr/18/gemini-image-segmentat...

I vibe coded it using Claude and O3.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by Workaccount2 »

johnisgood wrote: post #432
energy123 wrote: post #284

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Google need to fix their Gemini web app at a basic level. It's slow, gets stuck on Show Thinking, rejects 200k token prompts that are sent one shot. Aistudio is in much better shape.

I hate how I can copy paste long text into Claude (becomes a pasted text) and it is accepted, but in Gemini it is limited.

You can paste it in a text file and upload that. A little annoying compared to claude, but does work.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by mark_l_watson »

F7F7F7 wrote: post #261
mark_l_watson wrote: post #223

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In this case, Google is a large investor in Anthropic. I agree that giving away access to expensive models long term is not a good idea on several fronts. Personally, I subscribe to Gemini Advanced and I pay for using the Gemini APIs. EDIT: a very good deal, at $10/month is https://apps.abacus.ai/chatllm/ that gives you access to almost all commercial models as well as the best open weight models. I have never come c…

The problem with tools like this is that somewhere in the chain between you and the LLM are token reducing “features”. Whether it’s the system prompt, a cheaper LLM middleman, or some other cost saving measure. You’ll never know what that something is. For me, I can’t help but think that I’m getting an inferior service.

You might be correct about cost savings techniques in their processing pipeline. But they also add functionality: they bake web search into all models which is convenient. I have no affiliation with ABACUS.AI, I am just a happy customer. They currently let me play with 25 models.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by Workaccount2 »

yousif_123123 wrote: post #443
mamp wrote: post #237

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I've been using Gemini 2.5 and Claude 3.7 for Rust development and I have been very impressed with Claude, which wasn't the case for some architectural discussions where Gemini impressed with it's structure and scope. OpenAI 4.5 and o1 have been disappointing in both contexts. Gemini doesn't seem to be as keen to agree with me so I find it makes small improvements where Claude and OpenAI will go along with initial su…

I have noticed Gemini not accepting an instruction to "leave all other code the same but just modify this part" on a code that included use of an alpha API with a different interface than what Gemini knows is the correct current API. No matter how I promoted 2.5 pro, I couldn't get it to respect my use of the alpha API, it would just think I must be wrong. So I think patterns from the training data are still overridi…

I have been using gemini daily for coding for the last week, and I swear that they are pulling levers and A/B testing in the background. Which is a very google thing to do. They did the same thing with assistant, which I was a pretty heavy user of back in the day (I was driving a lot).

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by mark_l_watson »

revnode wrote: post #306
F7F7F7 wrote: post #261

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The problem with tools like this is that somewhere in the chain between you and the LLM are token reducing “features”. Whether it’s the system prompt, a cheaper LLM middleman, or some other cost saving measure. You’ll never know what that something is. For me, I can’t help but think that I’m getting an inferior service.

You can self host something like https://big-agi.com/ and grab your own keys from various providers. You end up with the above, but without the pitfalls you mentioned.

BIG-AI does look cool, and supports a different use case. ABACUS.AI takes your $10/month and gives you credits that go towards their costs of using OpenAI, Anthropic, Gemini, etc. Use of smaller open models use very few credits.

The also support an application development framework that looks interesting but I have never used it.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by Hugsun »

neuah wrote: post #449
bayarearefugee wrote: post #278

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As another person that cancelled my Claude and switched to Gemini, I agree that Claude Code is very nice, but beyond some initial exploration I never felt comfortable using it for real work because Claude 3.7 is far too eager to overengineer half-baked solutions that extend far beyond what you asked it to do in the first place. Paying real API money for Claude to jump the gun on solutions invalidated the advantage of…

Exactly my experience as well. Started out loving it but it almost moves too fast - building in functionality that i might want eventually but isn't yet appropriate for where the project is in terms of testing, or is just in completely the wrong place in the architecture. I try to give very direct and specific prompts but it still has the tendency to overreach. Of course it's likely that with more use i will learn be…

I've experienced this a lot as well. I also just yesterday had an interesting argument with claude.

It put an expensive API call inside a useEffect hook. I wanted the call elsewhere and it fought me on it pretty aggressively. Instead of removing the call, it started changing comments and function names to say that the call was just loading already fetched data from a cache (which was not true). I could not find a way to tell it to remove that API call from the useEffect hook, It just wrote more and more motivated excuses in the surrounding comments. It would have been very funny if it weren't so expensive.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by HDThoreaun »

qwertox wrote: post #190
cjohnson318 wrote: post #164

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Yeah, my wife pays for ChatGPT, but Gemini is fine enough for me.

Just be aware that if you don't add a key (and set up billing) youre granting Google the right to train on your data. To have persons read them and decide how to use them for training.

Unless you have the enterprise sub of openAI theyre training on your data too
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