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Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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Post by sschueller »

user14159265 wrote: post #449

And it is available at https://t3.chat/ (as well as claude, grok, gemini etc) for 8usd/month

> These Terms and your use of T3 Chat will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the jurisdiction where T3 Tools Inc. is incorporated, without regard to its conflict of law provisions. Any disputes arising out of or in connection with these Terms will be resolved exclusively in the courts located in that jurisdiction, unless otherwise required by applicable law.

Would be nice if there was at least some hint as to where T3 Tools Inc. is located and what jurisdiction applies.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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Post by sunnybeetroot »

behnamoh wrote: post #389
chrisshroba wrote: post #377

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I also like Perplexity’s 3/day limit! If I use them up (which I almost never do) I can just refresh the next day

I've only ever had to use DeepResearch for academic literature review. What do you guys use it for which hits your quotas so quickly?

Write a comparison between X and Y

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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Post by guillaume8375 »

lxgr wrote: post #317

As a ChatGPT user, I'm weirdly happy that it's not available there yet. I already have to make a conscious choice between - 4o (can search the web, use Canvas, evaluate Python server-side, generate images, but has no chain of thought) - o3-mini (web search, CoT, canvas, but no image generation) - o1 (CoT, maybe better than o3, but no canvas or web search and also no images) - Deep Research (very powerful, but I have…

What do you mean when you say that 4o doesn’t have chain-of-thought?

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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Post by netdevphoenix »

SadTrombone wrote: post #355
cafeinux wrote: post #349

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> 4.5 (better in creative writing, and probably warmer sound thanks to being vinyl based and using analog tube amplifiers, but slower and request limited, and I don't even know which of the other features it supports) Is that an LLM hallucination?

Pretty dark times on HN, when a silly (and obvious) joke gets someone labeled as AI.

Obvious to you perhaps not to everyone. Self-awareness goes a long way

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Post by miroljub »

tomalbrc wrote: post #450
miroljub wrote: post #447

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Warning to potential users: it's Google.

Not sure how or why OpenAI would be any better?

It's not. It's closed source. But Google is still the worst when it comes to privacy.

I prefer to use only open source models that don't have the possibility to share my data with a third party.

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Post by bsenftner »

rushingcreek wrote: post #357
resters wrote: post #325

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I use them as follows: o1-pro: anything important involving accuracy or reasoning. Does the best at accomplishing things correctly in one go even with lots of context. deepseek R1: anything where I want high quality non-academic prose or poetry. Hands down the best model for these. Also very solid for fast and interesting analytical takes. I love bouncing ideas around with R1 and Grok-3 bc of their fast responses and…

Phind was fine-tuned specifically to produce inline Mermaid diagrams for technical questions (I'm the founder).

Have you been interviewed anywhere? Curious to read your story.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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Post by youssefabdelm »

lxgr wrote: post #317

As a ChatGPT user, I'm weirdly happy that it's not available there yet. I already have to make a conscious choice between - 4o (can search the web, use Canvas, evaluate Python server-side, generate images, but has no chain of thought) - o3-mini (web search, CoT, canvas, but no image generation) - o1 (CoT, maybe better than o3, but no canvas or web search and also no images) - Deep Research (very powerful, but I have…

Disagree. It's really not complicated at all to me. Not sure why people make a big fuss over this. I don't want an AI automating which AI it chooses for me. I already know through lots of testing intuitively which one I want.

If they abstract all this away into one interface I won't know which model I'm getting. I prefer reliability.

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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Post by iamacyborg »

tekacs wrote: post #436
namaria wrote: post #433

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I like Deep Research but as a historian I have to tell you. I've used it for history themes to calibrated my expectations and it is a nice tool but... It can easily brush over nuanced discussions and just return folk wisdom from blogs. What I love most about history is it has lots of irreducible complexity and poring over the literature, both primary and secondary sources, is often the only way to develop an understa…

When I've wanted it to not do things like this, I've had good luck directing it to... not look at those sources. For example when I've wanted to understand an unfolding story better than the news, I've told it to ignore the media and go only to original sources (e.g. speech transcripts, material written by the people involved, etc.)

That use case seems pretty self defeating when a good news source will usually try to at least validate first-party materials which an llm cannot do.

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Post by clbrmbr »

miki123211 wrote: post #441

Most of the improvements in this model, basically everything except the longer context, image understanding and better pricing, are basically things that reinforcement learning (without human feedback) should be good at. Getting better at code is something you can verify automatically, same for diff formats and custom response formats. Instruction following is also either automatically verifiable, or can be verified…

If so, the loss of fidelity versus 4.5 is really noticeable and a loss for numerous applications. (Finding a vegan restaurant in a random city neighborhood, for example.)

Re: GPT-4.1 in the API

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Post by rglynn »

intended wrote: post #440

If reasoning models are any good, then can they figure out overpowered builds for poe2? Wait, wouldn’t this be a decent test for reasoning ? Every patch changes things, and there’s massive complexity with the various interactions between items, uniques, runes, and more.

Once they can do this we are probably at AGI
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