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Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by bigfatkitten » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 7:55 PM UTC

aerostable_slug wrote: post #209

bigfatkitten wrote: post #17

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Media-heavy espionage cases are the exception, not the norm. "Diplomats" routinely get declared persona non grata and just put on the next plane home. Neither the U.S. nor the other country wants to make a fuss.

That's generally because those diplomats can't be tried for their activities in the host nation, and also because said diplomats are running spies, not stealing secrets themselves. In other words, they aren't the traitors, their agents are. And those agents are the ones who get tried in the media circuses we're all so familiar with.

Media circus doesn't appear until the trial, which hasn't happened in this matter yet either.

The feds execute warrants every day without making the news.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by pyuser583 » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 8:06 PM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #371

trod1234 wrote: post #177

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In fairness, there was no public evidence of the Nazi death camps up until they decided to turn the prison camps into that at the Wannsee Conference either. It was only in retrospect that we learned the true horror of the Holocaust. Given that period of history, and how it brought the world to the brink, any patterning closely similar to that (which we are seeing today) these things should be considered happening unt…

There'd be a fair bit of noise if the Holocaust was happening today. It'd be more like Guantanamo Bay or the US's international program of black-bag kidnappings. You don't expect to know exactly what is going on but there is a wiki page [0] and regular leaks [1] even if only a relatively small number of people involved. Something like the holocaust couldn't fly under the radar in the age of the internet; there'd be l…

> There'd be a fair bit of noise if the Holocaust was happening today.

I doubt it. The original Holocaust denier was FDR. He didn't want Nazi attrocities to distract from the war effort.

If your main enemy is willing to participate in the coverup, that's a problem.

We regularly forget about the horrific prison camps and racial policies of North Korean, because we're more worried about them having nuclear weapons.

Same with religious persecution in Iran. If we can make a deal that keeps Iran and North Korea out of the nuclear club, and confined to their borders, it's best not to let their purely domestic attrocities get in the way.

If Hitler hadn't invaded Poland, what would have happened to German/Austrian Jews?

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by pyuser583 » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 8:12 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #410

Animats wrote: post #74

This hasn't hit mainstream media yet. It should have by now. Disappearing people is not something the US government is allowed to do. Here's Xiaofeng Wang's bio on the Indiana University site.[1] Google Scholar.[2] Archived version of home page at Indiana University.[3] If anybody has a PACER account, please check there. [1] https://alliance.iu.edu/members/member/8580.html [2] https://scholar.google.com/citations?use…

What do you mean by “disappearing people?” We had a foreign spy arrested at my kid’s school (she and her husband sold Navy secrets to China). For obvious reasons, arrest warrants don’t need to be made public. Nor is the FBI required to issue a press release when it arrests someone. It’s not even clear this professor is in government custody. It sounds like he may have gotten wind of the investigation and escaped.

This is why habeas corpus is so important. An attorney goes before the court, and demands the client be produced, and a justification be given for their detention.

It sounds like such a meaningless right. But it creates a clear line between a legitimate detention and disappearance.

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Post by pyuser583 » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 8:14 PM UTC

fracus wrote: post #153

orochimaaru wrote: post #69

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This isn’t immigration. He’s a tenured professor and already has permanent residency at the very least. He is most likely a US citizen. FBI is most likely dealing with an espionage angle. His research field of cryptography and using it to protect genomic data probably has something to do with it. The US govt track record on stuff like this is quite abysmal with several researchers having their career and livelihood d…

> The Chinese govt also has a pretty nasty track record of pressuring erstwhile Chinese citizens to engage in espionage by making life hard for family back in china China also has a history of establishing "police" stations in foreign countries with the mandate to harass and control expats. They did this in Canada at least, surely they did in the US too.

A while back there was a bad arrest of an NYPD officer for working at one of these illegal "police stations."

He was either found innocent or the charges were dropped, which is very rare.

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Post by roenxi » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 8:57 PM UTC

hmcq6 wrote: post #442

roenxi wrote: post #385

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The Uyghur thing has been fairly well discussed and I assume people know everything they care to. Wikipedia is pretty comprehensive on the current state of knowledge.

I was referring to the holocaust the US is currently aiding in

Gaza? You should spell things out. Regardless even more ink has been spilled on that and there doesn't seem to be any particular ambiguity on what is happening. It is major international news and South Africa are bringing court cases to the ICJ. Israel isn't doing anything subtle.

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Post by weard_beard » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 9:29 PM UTC

maxglute wrote: post #445

sureglymop wrote: post #186

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I can only urge you to provide one or more good primary sources if you are making such a claim. It should be a given...

Primary sources exist(ed?) on Chinese web, i.e. provincial gov websites advertising these "overseas service centres" used for diaphora services like renew PRC drivers license, which western western MSM regurgitating "Safeguard Defender" propaganda turn into overseas "police stations". Services also entail liasing with PRC law enforcement, i.e. if Chinese tourist gets robbed, they can refer to service centres for guid…

This rings true, except for the part where Western media and police are intelligent or competent enough that you should call it, "propaganda".

Its just racism.

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Post by insane_dreamer » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 9:43 PM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #400

leptons wrote: post #367

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Trump himself has said he wants to end birthright citizenship. EVERYONE in the US is at risk. If you think you're safe, you aren't. This is what fascists do. https://www.npr.org/2025/03/14/nx-s1-5327552/trump-takes-bir... https://immigrationimpact.com/2025/02/07/breaking-down-trump...

Jus soli [0] and and jus sanguinis [1] are well known legal concepts for citizenship, and jus soli is rare outside of the Americas, it’s not controversial to move to jus sanguinis as the norm, except in the way that it’s a change from the longstanding way of things in the US. To a European, jus soli seems crazy. Almost as crazy as people using caps in their posts. I do wonder if you, or anyone, could focus on the que…

> jus soli is rare outside of the Americas,

legal concepts in other countries have absolutely _nothing_ to do with constitutional rights in the U.S.

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Post by DrillShopper » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 9:58 PM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #361

DrillShopper wrote: post #321

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Trans people Gay people Doctors that provide abortions Doctors that provide gender affirming care Students protesting against Israel Just to name a few

Perhaps my question was unclear. I responded to "Even natural born citizens are now under threat." I asked to name one natural born citizen , not categories of people. Perhaps, given you provided said categories, you'll be able to drill down and name a natural born citizen from them?

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Post by sureglymop » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 10:21 PM UTC

fracus wrote: post #439

sureglymop wrote: post #418

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Thank you! Reading this, it seems to be unclear/unspecified in the text exactly who or what group was involved in this or whether there was affiliation to the Chinese state. That's the part I'm really interested in though.

It was very clear.

I read through the linked text twice. Where?

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 10:27 PM UTC

Suppafly wrote: post #447

hnben wrote: post #375

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people seem downvote you, but I think this is a good example of how discussions SHOULD work. > A: makes a strong claim, suggesting it to be well known > B: doubts > [100 people provide credible sources] Also congrats for being 1 of 10000 today i guess https://xkcd.com/1053/

> B: doubts It's weird to doubt something that's been in the news a bunch and is reported on by reputable sources though. Instead of expecting 100 people to do a basic search for them, they should have done their own search and only doubted if they didn't find anything.

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