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All I see here is coping by developers. You all are so blind to what’s coming. Let’s not forget, if you relied on hacker news to give you accurate takes on things, you would’ve never bought bitcoin at one cent.

What is coming? AGI that will destroy any notion of property rights or freedom that you ever held? Or something better?

If past human behavior is any indication, way worse.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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I must be the dumbest "prompt engineer" ever, each time I ask an AI to fix or even worse, create something from scratch it rarely returns the right answer and when asked for modification it will struggle even more. All the incredible performance and success stories always come from these Twitter posts, I do find value in asking simple but tedious task like a small refactor or generate commands, but this "AI takes the…

I think it's probably the difference between "code" and "programming". An LLM can produce code and if you're willing to surrender to the LLMs version of whatever it is you ask for, then you can have a great and productive time. If you're opinionated about programming, LLMs fall short. Most people (software engineers, developers, whatever) are not "programmers" they're "coders" which is why they have a positive impres…

I tried LLMs for my postgraduate "programming" tasks to create lower level data structures and algorithms that are possible to write a detailed requirements for - they failed miserably. When I pushed in certain directions, I've got student level replies like "collision probability is so low we can just ignore it", while same LLM accurately estimated that in my dataset there will be collisions.

And I don't believe until I see LLMs can use real debugger to figure out a root cause for a sophisticated, cascading bug.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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Probably about 3 minutes? That's my main usage of these types of coding tools, honestly. I already know generally what I want to happen and validating that the LLM is on the right track / reached the right solution is easy. I'm not saying that "Claude Code makes me 300% more effective", but I guess it did for this (simple) task.

And how long would it take you to debug AI generated code again and again?

This shouldn't be factored in unless you never debug your own code. At any rate, I don't know about OP but usually when I get an LLM to write out some code, I also have it write out the tests for it as well.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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Bugs from engineers comes from a variety of reasons and most have nothing in common with an LLM hallucinating. For exemple I can’t remember seing a PR with an API that seems plausible but never ever existed, or an interpretation of the specs so convoluted and edgy that you couldn’t even use sarcasm as a justification for that code. Don’t take me wrong: some LLMs are capable of producing bugs that looks like humans on…

> For exemple I can’t remember seing a PR with an API that seems plausible but never ever existed A PR is code that has already been tested and refined, which is not comparable to the output of an LLM. The output of an LLM is comparable to the first, untested code that you wrote based off of your sometimes vague memory of how some API works. It's not at all uncommon to forget some details of how an API works, what ca…

It’s kind of uncommon to be aware that you have only a vague recall of the API and not go check the documentation or code to refresh your memory. That self knowledge that you knew something and aren’t sure of the details is indeed the thing that these tools lack. So far.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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I must be the dumbest "prompt engineer" ever, each time I ask an AI to fix or even worse, create something from scratch it rarely returns the right answer and when asked for modification it will struggle even more. All the incredible performance and success stories always come from these Twitter posts, I do find value in asking simple but tedious task like a small refactor or generate commands, but this "AI takes the…

I agree it feels very different from my experience.

I'm curious when we'll start seeing verifiable results like live code streams with impressive results or companies dominating the competition with AI built products.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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No, I'm paid much more to do much more than what I did in this simple task. Claude didn't even test the changes (in this case, it does not have the hardware required to do that), or decide that the feature needed to be implemented in the first place. But my comparison wasn't "how do I compare to Claude Code", it was "how does Aider compare to Claude Code". My boss does not use Aider or Claude Code, and would not be h…

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I said that the AI literally does not have the hardware required to do the testing necessary. But ignoring that, automated testing is not sufficient for shipping software. Imagine shipping a website that has full test coverage but never once opening the browser. This isn't a fundamentally impossible problem for AI, but no amount of "good prompting" is going to get you there today.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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I must be the dumbest "prompt engineer" ever, each time I ask an AI to fix or even worse, create something from scratch it rarely returns the right answer and when asked for modification it will struggle even more. All the incredible performance and success stories always come from these Twitter posts, I do find value in asking simple but tedious task like a small refactor or generate commands, but this "AI takes the…

LLM are replacing Google for me when coding. When I want to get something implemented, let's say make a REST request in Java using a specific client library, I previously used Google to find example of using that library. Google has gotten worse (or the internet has more garbage) so finding code an example is more difficult than it used to be. Now I ask an LLM for an example. Sometimes I have to ask for a refinement…

I wonder how good Google could be if they had a charge per query model that these LLMs do. AI or not, dropping the ad incentive would be nice.

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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https://open.substack.com/pub/orangepuff/p/first-impressions... I used Claude code to get started on a pdf reader I wanted to build. This pdf reader has a built in LLM chat and when you ask a question about the pdf you’re reading, the page text will be automatically prepended to the question.

Nothing fancy or special. It was built with streamlit in about 150 lines and a single file. But I was impressed that Claude code 1 shot it

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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Are you comparing only the generation time with your coding time? How are the figures if you include the necessary step of checking the generated code? And how do these times change if you are coding in a very complex environment?

To be clear, I explicitly picked this task because my judgement call was that it was going to be faster to use an AI than coding it myself. Checking the generated code was easy for me to do (whether I or the AI wrote it). I don't know what you mean by "how do these times change if you are coding in a very complex environment", but to restate my original post: I'm fearful that Claude's additional autonomy will allow i…

As I can attest to, personally, it even allows the human operators to waste money (and time) pursuing all sorts of larks :)

Re: I've been using Claude Code for a couple of days

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I decided to check this out after seeing the discussion here. I had previously misunderstood that it required a Claude.ai plan, but it actually just uses your API keys. I did a comparison between Claude Code and Aider (my normal go-to): I asked it to do clone a minor feature in my existing app with some minor modifications (specifically, a new global keyboard shortcut in a Swift app). Claude Code spent about 60 secon…

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