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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by llm_nerd »

userbinator wrote: post #78
sva_ wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And another one https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1iruc70/vid... --- On a side note, it is crazy someone would take a selfie video before exiting a crashed airplane.

On a side note, it is crazy someone would take a selfie video before exiting a crashed airplane. It's literally once in a lifetime, and it didn't look like anyone was in serious danger after they realised they'd survived.

>and it didn't look like anyone was in serious danger after they realised they'd survived

There was fuel gushing from the severed wing, hence why the water spray just above one of the exit doors, and you could see fire trying to flare up. It had the potential to turn catastrophic...or more catastrophic...in an instant.

There was a lot of behaviour that isn't super ideal, for instance people milling right near the plane seemingly to take videos/photos not only restricting the emergency crews but in a danger area.

I get people in shock from a near death experience doing irrational things like that, though. More concerning are the number of people rationalizing it with full clarity and consideration. Like on Reddit the number of people talking about how there is no way they were leaving their carry-on because their laptop has important work, or their bottle of aspirin, etc...just disastrous logic that literally gets people killed. Standing right in the area where emergency crews are trying to stop a plane from erupting into a fireball for that once in a lifetime selfie -- absolutely crazy behaviour.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by newsclues »

walthamstow wrote: post #285
bsimpson wrote: post #269

It's wild to me that this is at the top of Hacker News, but not even on the Google News front page. I feel like major airline crashes are usually headlines.

HN has a particular fascination with aviation disasters. No disrespect at all, I've learnt more about aviation here than anywhere else. Before I came here I just assumed the whole thing to be magic.

As a software focused community, it's interesting to see how engineering is done it safety critical industries.

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Post by prmoustache »

tssge wrote: post #426
kolp wrote: post #408

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To be fair, it had all her stuff, so she couldn't just leave it behind. /s

Sarcasm aside, while still not acceptable, some people might not have the means to buy new items to replace what they lost in a crash. So it is understandable for some people to make the choice of taking their luggage with them in such an event, as they might not have the wealth and/or insurance necessary to replace those items afterwards. Of course the solution would be to make airlines liable to replace passengers'…

You really only have to keep your important papers in your pants pockets.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by prepend »

squigz wrote: post #425
InDubioProRubio wrote: post #409

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Browsers should wrap that link with a "unwrapped link" that links to the source plattform, which usually is not discord.

Err, I don't think that'd be possible?

The browser would be aware of certain types of links, follow them one level, then present the target link as the actual target.

Not a default behavior, but would be a nice option to have to preserve nettiquite.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by tssge »

michaelt wrote: post #448
tssge wrote: post #436

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In general the airlines just ask you to leave your luggage. If they were legally obliged to replace all your items, they would inform you of such. On international flights, an airline is liable for up to $1700 per the Montreal Convention. This might cover say half of one's laptop, which no matter how stupid it sounds, makes taking your luggage with you the only financially sensible choice in a crash (unless you have…

> This might cover say half of one's laptop, which no matter how stupid it sounds, makes taking your luggage with you the only financially sensible choice in a crash (unless you have insurance). If there's no smoke, no visible flames, and you can do so safely without obstructing other passengers' egress? I can see the argument, sure. Obviously if the cabin is filling with smoke or there are visible flames or other ob…

I'm not arguing it's right. Frankly, I think it's stupid the way things are. But I can understand why some people make such choice.

I guess my argument mainly is that people who take their luggage are not stupid, instead their behavior may be highly rational, however we have the means to change it with by making such choice irrational and I wish we will.

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Post by kimos »

varjag wrote: post #402
chakintosh wrote: post #371

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Footage from inside the plane of a flight attendant clearing passengers. https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1irwh9x/...

Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

While it’s clearly wrong to drag your bags out, I try to give people doing this some leeway.

They are in shock and acting on instinct. I’d like to believe I’d do better but who knows.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by bolognafairy »

InDubioProRubio wrote: post #366
s-lambert wrote: post #361

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It'll sort of die, you can't access them directly but if you take the link and paste it into discord (like one with just yourself) then it'll still work.

[flagged]

What? Discord isn’t meant to be a media hot linking service. They’re literally doing it on purpose, to stop people from doing what this person is doing.

Christ.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by b112 »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #120
toss1 wrote: post #49

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The "subtle" hacking is removing the regulations requiring safe maintenance and procedures, removing people responsible for maintaining and implementing the regulations, and removing the people responsible for controlling the traffic safely. In a highly complex system, all the hacking you need is to allow the ordinary chaotic systems to run more wild and stochastic errors will degrade the system with less traceabilit…

So are you saying that the root cause of this crash (and the others I suppose) is something that happened in the last 4 weeks?

I cannot imagine the logic of that, so not sure why that response.

What I was referring to, is the potential for state actors to breed fear re: air travel. It would be crushing economically, and create general disarray via distrust of core services.

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Post by stranded22 »

varjag wrote: post #402
chakintosh wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Footage from inside the plane of a flight attendant clearing passengers. https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1irwh9x/...

Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff.

It’s probably not that, but is possible.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by squigz »

prepend wrote: post #454
squigz wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Err, I don't think that'd be possible?

The browser would be aware of certain types of links, follow them one level, then present the target link as the actual target. Not a default behavior, but would be a nice option to have to preserve nettiquite.

I'm fairly certain the CDN and browser would be unaware of the source of the image/file being hosted on the CDN. There would be no links to follow.
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