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Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Post by crazygringo »

xrisk wrote: post #442
crazygringo wrote: post #364

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Because it just doesn't work with shocking frequency. Maybe 10% of the time I make a purchase online, it shows me a screen where it says it's waiting for my bank to verify, I'll have to input a code or accept a notification or something. A solid half the time it fails. Either the site decides the transaction was rejected before I even get a chance to respond (within seconds), or I just don't get any notification or c…

idk here in India, we have 2FA for everything. I would say it very rarely fails, speaking from personal experience.

I think a lot of other countries have it much more standardized. Or it's just more common so the bugs get fixed.

But in the US there are so many credit card providers, each one seems to do it differently, and the UX flows just break. And it seems difficult for a site to even test, and how will you even figure out if it's the provider or network or merchant or notification that's failing?

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Post by theamk »

trinix912 wrote: post #313
theamk wrote: post #206

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that's not Cloudflare, they stopped doing pictures years ago. You can tell because Cloudflare always puths their brand name on their page. Cloudflare just blocks you without recourse nowdays.

It is Cloudflare, I see it too. It's a Cloudflare page, with all branding, the spinning circle, then a captcha pops up on the same Cloudflare-branded page.

Interesting! Do you have have a URL I could look at?

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Post by worik »

whilenot-dev wrote: post #279
kcrwfrd_ wrote: post #255

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Were you on a VPN?

Some vendors are just weird... I'm always getting blocked by Etsy with Firefox after the first navigation on their site. It shows me a puzzle to solve and then, after solving the puzzle correctly (read "Success"), redirects me to "You have been blocked". It works with Chrome-based browsers though, but that doesn't make me want to use the website at all. No VPN, just good privacy settings in my case.

> just good privacy settings in my case.

You are blocking the trackers and damaging the revenue model.

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Post by dragontamer »

gosub100 wrote: post #429
dragontamer wrote: post #419

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And if they did violate the ADA, do you seriously expect this administration's anti-DEI Department of Justice to pursue legal action?

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You seriously think this administration gives a care about the disabled? They're already firing accessibility people in the government.

https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/trumps-executive-or...

Right there in the executive orders. They're literally rolling back accessibility and making this a policy.

Read the EO yourself.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/endi...

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Post by dragontamer »

pc86 wrote: post #446
dragontamer wrote: post #419

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And if they did violate the ADA, do you seriously expect this administration's anti-DEI Department of Justice to pursue legal action?

Yes because accessibility and DEI are different despite partisans' attempts to make "DEIA" a real thing.

Trump's team is rolling back DEIA already.

Did you read the executive order? It's not the left calling it DEIA. Its Trump.

> Sec. 2. Implementation. (a) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), assisted by the Attorney General and the Director of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), shall coordinate the termination of all discriminatory programs, including illegal DEI and “diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility” (DEIA) mandates, policies, programs, preferences, and activities in the Federal Government, under whatever name they appear.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/endi...

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Post by supernovae »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #445
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #401

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> I would be pretty upset if I implemented Cloudflare and it started to inadvertently hurt my sales figures. The problem is that all these Cloudflare forensics-based throttling and blocking efforts don't hurt sales figures. The number of legitimate users running Arc is a rounding error. Arc browser users often come to Cloudflare without third-party tracking and without cookies, which is weird and therefore suspicious…

The number of legitimate users on "not chrome, edge, safari, or firefox" is about 10% of the browser market. I don't know about you, but if I'm running a shop, and the whole point of my website is to make sales, but my front door is preventing 10% of those sales? That door is getting replaced.

If you were running a shop, you would realize that nearly 100% of the fraud is "not chrome, edge, safari, or firefox"

It's unfortunate yes but that's what drives the threat signatures

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Post by agoodusername63 »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #445
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #401

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> I would be pretty upset if I implemented Cloudflare and it started to inadvertently hurt my sales figures. The problem is that all these Cloudflare forensics-based throttling and blocking efforts don't hurt sales figures. The number of legitimate users running Arc is a rounding error. Arc browser users often come to Cloudflare without third-party tracking and without cookies, which is weird and therefore suspicious…

The number of legitimate users on "not chrome, edge, safari, or firefox" is about 10% of the browser market. I don't know about you, but if I'm running a shop, and the whole point of my website is to make sales, but my front door is preventing 10% of those sales? That door is getting replaced.

Why would you assume that the 10% of non standard browsers are going to buy anything?

Demographic is important here. If I was running a shop that sold software for Linux users, sure. If I'm running a store that sells pretty much anything else? I'm not caring.

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Post by vscapitalx »

gosub100 wrote: post #444
Analemma_ wrote: post #436

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I can find you literally hundreds of posts from people insisting that ADA is nothing but a small-business-killing shakedown, that it's makework for lawyers, that it's doing nothing to help the disabled, and that it's just as bad if not worse than DEI. What makes your claim better than theirs?

I call your bluff. Do it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gusalexiou/2023/06/30/website-a...

https://www.the215guys.com/blog/ada-lawsuits-targeting-websi...

Re: Tell HN: Cloudflare is blocking Pale Moon and other non-mainstream browsers

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Post by shwouchk »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #317
shwouchk wrote: post #278

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Sorry, they did not go much out of their way, to simply claim “solutions exist”. Sure, you could invent other ways of protecting your traffic but what CF offers in the free tier always includes SSL termination with their own certificates (if you enable ssl), and always includes caching.

> invent other ways Just turning off some features gets them just about there. It wouldn't take rearchitecting things. Those features being bundled by default means very little for the difficulty.

So you too, are saying “its possible” as proof of your argument.

Which itself shifted from complaining that you aren’t warned that coffee is hot, to - after implicitly agreeing that it should be obvious it’s hot - complaining that it they didn’t have to make it as hot.

Great! Offer an alternative! Everyone would be more than happy.

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