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20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by carom »

refreeze654 wrote: post #324
carom wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my knowledge, no. Former employees sued to get Twitter's old pre-acquisition severance package and the court dismissed it. [1] 1. https://techcrunch.com/2024/07/10/elon-musk-does-not-owe-ex-...

This is not true. There are thousands of cases at various stages still in progress. This ruling was specific to one specific avenue being pursued. Source: the body of the article you posted.

Can you quote the part about thousands or provide a source? I see that there is an ongoing executive lawsuit and one for managers but didn't see anything about thousands of individual lawsuits.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by Maxious »

9283409232 wrote: post #245
chairmansteve wrote: post #200

The plan seems to be to fire almost all government emoloyees. The only historical parallel I can come up with is the De Baathification program in Iraq 2003.

RAGE is one of the main points of this entire department. Retire All Government Employees.

For further context, "Retire All Government Employees" is slogan from proponents of what became project 2025 https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/16/24266512/jd-vance-curtis...

You can read the actual 180 day plan to "deconstruct the Administrative State" in the infamous Project 2025 manifesto https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FUL...

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by staticman2 »

ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #118
scottLobster wrote: post #78

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And you think that an offer accepted by sending an email with "Resign" in the subject line is subject to these protections? You think DOGE is even authorized to make said offers? Why, because Elon and Trump said so? Also your last line is just bizarre. The US government can very much selectively pay some parties but not others during a shutdown. That's kind of the definition of a shutdown.... Plus this administration…

The requirements for making a contract are minimal. If your friend says "I bet you a hundred dollars that you can't run over there and back in less than a minute" and you say nothing in response but start running, you've entered into a binding contract. Your other points still stand, but an email that makes an offer and makes it clear that you accept by responding "Resign" and a response to that email that says "Resi…

This is confidently wrong. The requirements for contracting with the federal government are nothing like the requirements between private citizens. There are specific statutory procedures which must be followed for an enforceable government contract, including but not limited to congressional funding.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by verandaguy »

Shank wrote: post #15

I think the main issue for anyone wanting to take the offer is simply: this was never authorized by congress, so the money to pay people to September is questionable if it exists at best. Meanwhile, there's a government funding deadline on March 14, 2025. So there's a very real chance at this deal offering something closer to ~1 month of pay before it suddenly gets dropped due to budget negotiations. It would be an i…

Fortunately, the current US president has a long and storied history of going out of his way to pay people mutually agreed-upon sums from prior contracts.

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Post by adastra22 »

djohnston wrote: post #239
scottyah wrote: post #232

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They churn through employees fast and they usually exit through burnout (no offloading) and the people wanting to work there skew towards young people who don't know what they're doing. A lot of work gets delayed, dropped, etc and some bad suppliers even take advantage of that ("the last person said they'd do X"). I know it's en-vogue to hate on Elon companies, and a lot of people would love to hear that the World's…

It's remarkable that, for a bunch of young people who don't know what they're doing, they've completely decimated any competitors - both public and private.

I don't know what the person you are replying to is talking about. They clearly don't know anyone who works at SpaceX. The age there does trend young, but think 24-year-old flight controller for Apollo, not intern that doesn't know anything. I have friends who work at SpaceX and gripe about how difficult it is to hire people. But not for lack of applicants--their standards are just so high. Nearly everyone working at SpaceX is cracked.

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Post by adastra22 »

spamizbad wrote: post #383
xeromal wrote: post #262

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Yeah, I've always been trying to be objective as possible when it comes to the hate sent towards Tesla, SpaceX, etc from the heat Elon is getting but having lived near Hawthorne, I've met a couple of people who worked at SpaceX and it is insane. I had a really good friend who moved from the midwest with his wife to spacex and she became a favorite at spacex which meant she lived at spacex. He would see her like once…

Why was this guys wife so important to have around the office at SpaceX if she wasn’t an employee?

It is confusingly worded, but I think the wife is the SpaceX employee.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by zerocrates »

hedora wrote: post #447
phonon wrote: post #443

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$280,475,260 of total contributions was from individuals. AKA Elon Musk. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary?id=D000029147

Thanks for correcting me. The page I linked is confusing. (Why attribute it to SpaceX, but not X or Tesla?)

When you disclose this stuff, you have to list the donor's occupation/employer, and Elon said he was CEO of SpaceX every time he funded his PAC.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by adastra22 »

tharkun__ wrote: post #371
xeromal wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I've always been trying to be objective as possible when it comes to the hate sent towards Tesla, SpaceX, etc from the heat Elon is getting but having lived near Hawthorne, I've met a couple of people who worked at SpaceX and it is insane. I had a really good friend who moved from the midwest with his wife to spacex and she became a favorite at spacex which meant she lived at spacex. He would see her like once…

The only thing surprising to me is how people don't know this. The propaganda machine must be real good.

I think people in the industry know? I went to a SpaceX recruitment event back in 2010, and even then they were very upfront about it. People give their heart and soul to the company, and their turnover from burnout is shockingly high. The recruiter had some nicer way of phrasing it, but it was completely transparent what they meant.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by a_victorp »

verandaguy wrote: post #455
Shank wrote: post #15

I think the main issue for anyone wanting to take the offer is simply: this was never authorized by congress, so the money to pay people to September is questionable if it exists at best. Meanwhile, there's a government funding deadline on March 14, 2025. So there's a very real chance at this deal offering something closer to ~1 month of pay before it suddenly gets dropped due to budget negotiations. It would be an i…

Fortunately, the current US president has a long and storied history of going out of his way to pay people mutually agreed-upon sums from prior contracts.

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