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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by fhd2 »

pbronez wrote: post #418
fhd2 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly! For a lot of work, I use Claude as my first source, then typically I verify what I got out of it with a search engine. If the search engine also starts to hallucinate (starting to see that on Google if I'm not crazy), I have zero use for it. I want results that match my search query, period.

Kagi also has solid AI features. Their Quick Answer feature does an AI summary of your query results. By default it shows up automatically when it has high confidence. You can disable this in settings or force it to show up by adding "?" to your query. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/quick-answer.html If you want to jump into an AI chat session, you can add bangs to your queries. "!expert" launches a top of the line re…

OK you got me, gptel supports it, so I signed up :P Search result quality is awesome so far, gonna play around with their LLM stuff.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by paradox460 »

They say billing cycle, but what if I'm on the annual plan? Is my cycle a year? Or does my renewal date get pushed back a month if I don't use it?

I use kagi hundreds of times a day, so it's not something likely to happen soon, but I'm still curious

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by ethbr1 »

sillyfluke wrote: post #409
ethbr1 wrote: post #406

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I'm not sure you appreciate how small "billions of user records" is for Google.

Again, you seem to be missing the point here. Those "billions of user records" are the users who thought they were not being tracked by using incognito mode. All the other users who didn't care about being tracked one way or the other are irrelevant to the use case we're discussing.

Your point seems to be arguing in favor of how a company whose core business product is tracking... makes you more comfortable you're not being tracked than an alternative with a subscription model?

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by lostlogin »

sillyfluke wrote: post #175
gkbrk wrote: post #159

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You think Kagi tracks you, to the risk of killing their business, but Google doesn't track you or collect data about your searches?

yes I do think there is a important difference between google triangulating data, trading data with others and attaching a name to an ip adress by their own efforts without me voluntarily giving them that information for free. And you seem to forget that Google lost a class action suit about incognito mode. And I'd rather sue Google than Kagi. Plus, like 23andme, when times are tough I don't want to think about what…

> there is a important difference between google triangulating data, trading data with others and attaching a name to an ip adress by their own efforts without me voluntarily giving them that information for free.

You’ve specified the difference. One company is actively trading your data as its core business, for profit. One isn’t. I find your position baffling.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

fnord123 wrote: post #82
dirkc wrote: post #75

This makes sense, if someone isn't using your service for a month, chances are good that they are going to cancel soon. Maybe they'll keep on paying for another few months, but if they're not using it, they're not getting any value from it. So rather than getting them to cancel, pause their subscription. You don't have to deal with cancellations, and if/when the user does return, you are one step further than you wou…

More importantly you can tell investors you have even more accounts than you do and your churn rate is very low.

> We have implemented this for the simple reason of being kind to our users.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is also the correct one.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by dghlsakjg »

verdverm wrote: post #446
dirkc wrote: post #75

This makes sense, if someone isn't using your service for a month, chances are good that they are going to cancel soon. Maybe they'll keep on paying for another few months, but if they're not using it, they're not getting any value from it. So rather than getting them to cancel, pause their subscription. You don't have to deal with cancellations, and if/when the user does return, you are one step further than you wou…

I'd prefer a pay-as-you-go / per API call / search pricing model... to something that if I use it just once, I pay full price for a month. Same rationale for AI in my IDE, I'm waiting for the pricing models to change

There are any number of plugins for all of the popular IDEs/text editors that let you use metered AI usage using an API key.

For VS code compatible plugins checkout Cline/Roo or just search for AI in the extensions.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by bombcar »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #247
zorked wrote: post #198

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> The immediate second order effect of such a law would be to raise subscription prices on everyone to account for this automatic churn. That's fine.

It's not fine to the millions of monthly active users who would have to cancel because prices rose from 14€ to 16€. It's inherently a consumer-hostile action to pass such a law, despite how it first appears.

By that argument the most customer-friendly action would be to force everyone in the world to subscribe to Netflix.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by MarcelOlsz »

dirkc wrote: post #75

This makes sense, if someone isn't using your service for a month, chances are good that they are going to cancel soon. Maybe they'll keep on paying for another few months, but if they're not using it, they're not getting any value from it. So rather than getting them to cancel, pause their subscription. You don't have to deal with cancellations, and if/when the user does return, you are one step further than you wou…

I'm still waiting for a $150 refund from pieter levels from his crappy ai interior site, didn't log in once.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by stonemetal12 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #269
ant6n wrote: post #160

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you can get that on DuckDuckGo. The main problem with Google is that the search is garbage. Kagi wasn't able to convince me that their better within the free searches (I have an account since 2022). Now that I can't try them anymore, they can't ever convince me they're better - so their pricing model perhaps isn't very smart.

What happened is exactly what's supposed to happen: You tried the product and didn't like it, so you didn't purchase it. It's the same with test driving a car: If you don't like it, then don't buy it.

You test drive a 2022 Camry and now you can't test drive the 2025 model?
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